1953 (P) LINCOLN CENT DDO New Member Rookie

For the record, hubs are used to make dies (Master Dies or Working Dies). Working Dies are used to strike coins.

Conder is correct about the typical die life for Proof dies. According to "US Coin Digest 2009":

Working Dies for Business Strikes have a much longer life. From the May 28, 2012 issue of Coin World:

Mods please edit my post as necessary if I have violated any copyright rules in my above quotations.

 

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The mint has already done this, the Type 2 Franklins and the Type B Washingtons (I think so) are struck by proof dies, however they may have been accidentally struck

 

This looks like what is called a 1953 poor man's doubled die . actually they are not from a doubled die at all , the die that made them had some kind of a problem with the 3 in the date causing it to look like a shadow of another 3 in front of the original 3. most folks thinks it was because of a worn out die. I have a few of them and they are not worth very much. I'm not sure if this is what the op has or not because the images are kinda blury. I do know that there are quite a few of the 1953 and 1955 nicknamed poor mans doubled die coins out there.

 

This is an awesome coin that is going to benefit some worthy heros I hope we get some bids soon. I guarantee you will love this coin and it is RARE as rocking horse poop. I have had the original roll for 7 years and opened it a couple days ago b/c I bought some professional loupes and decided to look at coins in this roll to see how good the loupe is. I then asked several professional numistitist what they thought about my discovery.

numistitist? cmon.. really?????????

 

Some extremely knowledgeable Coin Talk members have offered you their opinions on your coin.
Why do you steadfastly refuse to accept the fact that you have nothing more than an ordinary 1953 Lincoln Cent?
Your willingness to donate a portion of your proceeds to any charity does not make you argument any stronger, either.
My suggestion to you, if you truly believe that you have a doubled die cent, is send it to a TPG for authentication, grading and encapsulation. (Doing this will make your coin easier to sell as well as bring a higher price when you do sell it) Should it come back as what you insist it is, then you can come back to tell us that you told us so. At that point we'll all be willing to eat our fill of crow.

 

He wouldn't even need to go to that extreme. Wexler would attribute it for like $3 and have it back to him within a week or so.

P.S. If this thing sells to someone who just happens to have zero feedback.... need I say more?

 

Although my opinion is not really needed after Thad and Conder's, I will concur with them. Not a DDO.

Jim

 

I merged the 2 threads since they were basically the same subject line.

Jim

 

Little late to this party but sorry to the OP, that is not a Doubled Die coin. Here is a shot of a well worn 1936, Notice any differences?




Why is it that after 40+ years of collecting, dealing and roll searching I have been lucky enough to find a grand total of 3 DD's? (1936, 1941, 1995 all roll searching) They are NOT found on an everyday basis.. Ziggy, how many rolls have you went through before you found your gem? Hobo, Bad Thad, Desert Gem, have you guys ever found any? Some days I feel like dumping a roll on my desk and asking the forum if there is anything good in the roll. BUY A BOOK, Look at one of MANY websites, do some research. Coming here and insisting you have something without knowing what your looking at is non productive and you will never learn anything.

I will also like to ask the OP about this: "Check out Pcgs library and see what Ken P. is saying about this series" can you direct me to what your talking about here. I am assuming when you say Ken P that your talking about Potter.. He happens to be a personal friend of mine and I certainly would like to see what you were referring to.

Rant over.

 

But the doubling is not the good kind of doubling! It's die deterioration doubling not hub or die doubling. This kind of doubling is not collectible because it is very common and not the result of a hub or die being struck twice. If you are selling it as a doubled die, you are misleading potential buyers.

 

Seems these replies got the OP to back off from his imaginary DDO coin. I don't understand why some people claim to know so much (which some might) but insist they have something so valuable even after respected numismatists let them know they do not. :dead-horse:

 

Not directed towards you, Jim, so I hope you do not mind my little addition. While it is not easy or common to find the rare and valuable varieties, there are accepted varieties one can locate with relative ease. These coins may not carry great value, but finding them can add excitement to searching, and even more importantly, can be educational and an excellent eye-training tool. Here are a few examples listed on a coppercoins;

http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2001&die_id=2001p1dr001&die_state=eds

http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2000&die_id=2000p1dr004&die_state=mds

http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1998&die_id=1998p1dr008&die_state=mds

This type of doubling is quite common on coins dating from the later 1990's to the end of the Memorial series, and is usually located in the area around Lincoln's statue. By searching the aforementioned site it can give a better understanding of this type of variety, but this is not a complete listing. Even though these coins are not valuable, they can be fun to find for some people who roll/variety search.

 

Jim M, I hear your frustration. It can take YEARS to find just one really good, true doubled die coin. Most newbies (myself included) come to the forum to get information on things they see but don't understand, and the congratulations received when you really DO have a winner is great. When someone trumpets what they think is a DD but really isn't AND seems impervious to logic you just want to grab them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them.

As an aside, I must be a really lucky guy. I've found one DDO in general circulation while roll searching (a 2011P-1DO-004, uber-rare) and two 1949S-1DO-002's that I found in a bulk bag of wheaties purchased on eBay. I put them up in the Error Coins forum a while ago, and got some nice compliments. Personally, I'd much rather be praised for a good find than lambasted for a poor one, but different people respond to different motivations.

 

Certainly not meant to be lambasted. Thats the last thing that I want to do is discourage a collector. I have spent way to much time and effort helping to build the hobby over the last 30+ years. It just gets frustrating when an opinion is asked, an opinion by several reputable members here is given and its tossed to the wayside. I am in no way opposed to anyone asking an opinion. But, when you ask... Learn from the answers. I know that alot of the answers given here and other forums are wrong.. Learn to pick through the garbage answers and find the people who know what they are talking about. It certainly didnt take me long here to find out who knew what they were talking about and who is blowing smoke. WriterIN, let me ask you a question.. when you posted your finds, were you pretty sure what you had and just wanted to share and get verification? Or did you see "something" wrong and start screaming DD..

There are some VERY knowledgeable people here. seek them out, to me it was very obvious. Then if you should decide to collect errors, get involved with Coneca, buy some books, READ, READ some More and then.. READ some more.

I sit at the table at the MSNS shows for Coneca. Here is just one example of what we (I) see. an elderly gentleman (70ish) comes to the table with a valuable error. Ask me to look at it.. 1893S Morgan Dollar. Whats the error? Dollar only had 1 L in it not two, the portrait was all wrong, wrong fonts, gas bubbles on both the obv and rev. The Morgan that I know also has a reeded edge. This error was smooth edge.. just like the ADAMS Smooth edge dollars, its worth Millions, he has had it for 40 years etc... This had to be the worst piece of crap I seen at the show. Then I tell him that its fake.. I actually thought this guy was yanking my chain. OH MY GOODNESS.. what did I hear.. YOUNG MAN, (I am in my mid 50's) this coin is not fake I bought this coin back in the 60's, Your trying to RIP me off. The vendor who sold it to me assured me it was real and very valuable. I said, take it back. He told me a story, Ohhhhhhh, you bought it when you were on vacation in CHINA for $20.00. I am a bad guy, then most of the dealers at the show were trying to rip him off NOBODY made an offer. He wouldnt listen.. finally he just left. Did he learn anything? Nope.. he was right, he came to talk somebody into seeing things as he did hoping for a lottery pick.

 

When I first started posting, my approach was "This is different. Given this, this and this, I *think* it's a blahblahblah. But I'm just getting started and any info you can give me would be great." I hate when people just post pics of a coin and expect us to do the research almost as much as those who arrive with a hidebound and ironclad preconception. As I became more knowledgeable with the help and guidance of some of the great folks here, I needed to post my own finds less and tried to assist with others more. The thing that helped me the most was direction to resources such as coppercoins, lincoln cent resource (to a limited extent) and others.

My attitude here has always been to treat the people of the forum as a valued resource IN ADDITION TO my own research. I recently posted about an eBay transaction that was horribly wrong AND the horribly wrong things I did to make the situation worse. I took both heart and direction from the many well-meaning responses I received. Unfortunately, there were also some mean-spirited holier-than-thou posts, but I tried my best to get past them. Interestingly, I had another, similar situation come up just last week. The seller posted an 1884-S Morgan dollar, but what arrived was an 1884-O (the photo was just a touch blurry at that level, so I relied on the text). I sent him a very polite message about the mistake and asking if either of these two alternatives were acceptable to him; either return the coin or receive a partial refund of $10 to put the coin closer to it's true market value. He was so embarrassed by his error that he told me to keep the coin refunded my entire purchase *despite* my multiple protestations that it was excessive. He's now on my permanent list of sellers to watch because he's a class act and I want him to make some money off me.

I think we can safely say that I learned from my errors AND put the new knowledge into action. The reward was far beyond any of my expectations.

 

And I think thats the case with this OP, I don't expect him to return. He was just spamming his auction and absolutely didn't listen to anything but what he wanted to hear.

 

They always remind me of my Brother-in-law, but I still try to be civil

My late mother had a favorite saying " There will jewels in your crown in heaven". It took me until I was 50 to understand it as she used it.

 

Happens often and everywhere. Always has and always will.

 

OP must be too busy celebrating the final selling price of his auction to respond; afterall he made 380 times his coin's value.

-LTB

 

And if he told the truth some veterans organization is going to get a windfall of almost a dollar.