When at the supermarket today, I picked up a roll of pennies and found this 1962 DDO. I found the die markers at coppercoins and I believe it is 1962P 1DO 16...
Biggest die marker of all.... proof vs. business strike. Your coin does not appear to be a proof, so it cannot be the variety you listed. Looks like a classic and common example of strike doubling, sorry.
I realize I',m on thin ice here with you guys, but to start with, I posted the wrong numbers for the cent. I should have said 1962P 1DO 20. The markers on this coin match what I have. I do believe this is a DDO.
Ok then, I'd give these a read though. http://www.lincolncentresource.com/FAQ/machinedoubling.html http://www.errorvariety.com/OFD/MD.html
Okay.. honest mistake, no problem or thin ice. In all fairness, it may be helpful if you post photos of the entire coin (obverse and reverse) taken straight on instead of at an angle. To be honest, I highly doubt opinions will change though.
Thank you BooksB4coins... I will try and get better photos of the whole coin and markers... I may have to wait for tomorrow for the light, but I will attempt tonight. Thank you dsmith23 for the GREAT LINKS... I read through them and I'm still pretty confident that this is not MD. I think with better photos, I can be proven right...
Had some better light today... 1). the date... I know it looks flat here, but it is rounded. Just couldn't get a good shot. 2). this is the die markers for the "trust" 3). I needed to put the die marker on the reverse in black and white because although I can see them, I couldn't get it to show at all in color. any thoughts??
I think it's #20. You can't see them real clear in your pic but the heavy die scratches/ gouges/polish lines around ONE CENT on the reverse look like a match to me.
Sure looks like #20 to me. I can see where it might look like machine doubling on the date since the doubling appears to be due west, but the South-Southwest doubling on "In God We Trust" is a beauty. Nice find!
I am very uncertain that it is #20. It does look more like MDD. Let me try to explain by pointing out the "9" in the date. Blur your vision a little and don't look at the "doubling lines", but look at the overall width of the lower part of the "9". Now compare that with the same area in this photo 0f #20 from CC. http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1962&die_id=1962p1do020&die_state=eds To me , the "9" in the CC photo looks much thicker ( wider) than Dollar's . The reason that when a true double die occurs, the original "9" stays and the doubling adds to the width, whereas in MDD, the "9" starts out normal thickness, and a part of the edge is sheared by the mechanical doubling with maybe a portion increase, but not as much. Also , still looking at that area of the "9" in the CC photo, notice how the line separating the original and the doubled part is a faint line because the height is almost the same as the original , but in Dollar's coin, the difference is more pronounced due to flattening. Anyway, hard to tell from photos without a good magnification, but that is IMO. Jim
Jim, also compare the OP's and Coppercoins pic of TRUST. Then look at the reverse die markers around ONE CENT, especially the long scratch that goes from the E in one to the C in cent. I think it's a match.
I can see the reverse die crack on the "CENT" area and agree it is there. But generally dies were not paired together as a unit, and if one developed a defect, only that one was removed and the other stayed until it failed also, so a reverse could be used for 2 or more obverse dies, and visa versa. So I do not give more credence to the markers on the reverse of a possible DD Obverse over what I "think" I see on the obverse.Markers are good if all else seem correct as confirmation, especially gouges or man made die markers. However, I have seen different year coins of the same type (such as LWC), which have die cracks alike as they are more likely in areas of die weakness, than randomly. As I said, from photos it can be difficult to separate MDD and DD, so all I give is opinion. No offense intended. Jim
Indeed, with pics it's mostly opinion. Different lighting and coin angles can change the appearance drastically. We do the best we can.:thumb:
I must have taken a billion shots at the 9... I think this one shows best... also on the reverse I found another marker. Thank all of you for your thoughts on this.
