I made my first submissions to PCGS recently. Put two orders in one box. They were split by Morgan VAMs (9 coins) and "other" (8 coins). I had the "other" coins photographed. In my opinion, well worth the extra $5. They do a MUCH better job than I could ever do. Very pleased with one of the Morgan VAMs (1880-P 39A). It's a POP 4/2! ...and yes, I had two bodybags. I'm still learning and hopefully will never stop! Here are the images from my "other" order. Because they are around 400k each, I'm posting links instead of embedding the images. You can look up the grades by the certification number. Please don't spoil it for anyone wanting to guess. bodybag - 1921 Pilgrim - cleaned MS62 - 1926-S Oregon half bodybag - 1880-S Morgan - AT MS64 - Rainbow Crescent toned 1879-S Morgan MS61 - Toned 1883-O Morgan MS63 - Gold toned 1886-P Morgan MS63 - 1880-P Morgan MS64 - 1886-P Morgan EDITED: Added grades to link text.
Wow, that gold toned 1886 Morgan is gorgeous! I'm anxiously awaiting the return of my first submission to NGC, including a small motto 2-cent piece
I like the 1926-s Oregon Trail the best, it is a beautiful coin they all look nice but the Oregon Trail is my favorite you are very lucky.:thumb:
Thanks! I wish the different bands of color on that 79-S showed up better in the picture. It's slightly more colorful in hand. I was very impressed with all of them. Better than I could ever do. It's $5 per coin when you submit them for grading. They have another fee if they coins are already in PCGS slabs and you want them imaged and then re-holdered. They take the photos with the coin outside of the plastic. Small images are emailed to you. The sender told me I could request larger images. I did. He sent them immediately. You can also request HUGE images on a CD. Those are $25 for a group of coins.
I added the grades to the links. The two bodybags didn't bother me. It was a learning experience. I thought one of the MS63's had a chance at 64. Overall, I was pleased for my first submission. These are my two favorites in the group...
so what do you do with the bodybags?, I've never heard that term before, I'm guessing it means that they've been cleaned.
Not sure where the term comes from. I think they send the coin back in a little plastic bag. It's also called "no grade". In my case, one coin was cleaned and one was artificially toned. I've also seen it apply to scratched, PVC, large rim dings, and more. I think they list the possible reasons on their website. I'll leave them as is... put them in Air-Tite holders and label the results. They will be reference coins for me. Thanks Fish. I thought that one was proof like and would have come back MS64PL.
Now that you know the 1921 Pilgrim is cleaned, can you point out to us how they picked that up? I can seen nothing in the picture that says cleaned to me - but then I am just learning. I would say the tipoff on the 1880 Morgan is that it simply looks too nice to be natural. That is a beautiful job of toning someone did on that coin. (Beautiful in the artistic sense - it really makes a pretty picture)
Nesvt, All of the coins you have shown are simply beautiful. Heck, I would call the 'Body Bagged' examples georgeous and vastly under-graded B
I think the Pilgrim has to do with the luster and color on the obverse. GDJMSP could probably give you better pointers. The lighter areas near his head (the coin, not GD) look strange. It was probably dipped, stripped off some luster, and re-toned funny. Someone else pointed out this info on the 1880 Morgan... If you look at specific areas, you can see where the blue/purple color didn't take. One is near the top of her cap. In hand, Liberty's face is white and frosty. I was told that if it toned naturally, all of the devices would be white and frosty. Only the fields would be toned. The stars are blue. If it was album toning, it should be uniform and you wouldn't see that untoned area near Liberty's cap. Hopefully some of the more experienced folks can comment.
Very nice coins. I'm far from an expert but the '21 Pilgrim looks great from the photo and doesn't appear cleaned in any obvious way to me. Body bagging is a complete scam and a black mark on the industry in my opinion.
PCGS body bags coins for questionable color, cleaning, altered surfaces, scratch/rim ding, coins like bullion rounds, damage due to a variety of things, planchet flaws (if they are big enough), and also PVC
To be quite honest I have to wonder if perhaps PCGS made a small oooops when they slabbed those coins. I wonder if they didn't mix two of them up ? THIS is the coin I think was cleaned
