Real toning or AT? Also grade?

Opinions happily welcome on this coin--real, or "shake and bake?" Also, how would he grade?

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Ill go with probably real, but not good toning. Especially with all those fingerprints!
I won't guess a grade, but looks circulated.

 

Like gbroke said, that looks like classic crust, but it looks AU.

 

Agreed.

 

I agree with all of you. A friend of mine is trying to sell that as an uncirculated coin. I told him I thought it was AU. Thanks for the input--I don't know why he's doing that.

 

Wonder why he's trying to sell it at all , it's such a common coin , It probably doesn't bring a premium over melt until MS-63 or higher , and that isn't even MS as far as I can tell .

 

If you refer naturally-developed tarnishing as "toning", then yeah, it's "real toning" - used loosely.

It appears to be a mint-state coin, but the luster has been masked by thick, crusty tarnishing. Remember, '64 Kennedys are 90% - Silver tarnishes over time! No matter how well it is stored, no matter what lengths you go to to keep the elements from getting to your Silver, they always do, resulting in coins/bars looking identical to your l'il Kennedy.

-Brian

-Brian

 

Real and most likely an Unc coin

 

Yes it's real! Real ugly!

 

If those fingerprints won't get it, the dark toning will if left unabated. I would say a classic candidate for a quick dip.

Once the dark tone is gone, you could better see what the coin is like.

 

To me, the only 1964 Kennedy halves that would command a premium are the high level proof ones. This isn't obviously, and to me is an ugly slider--could be AU 55 or MS 62 on any given day. My friend is selling off his whole collection of Kennedys, and thinks any kind of toning sells for a premium. Got news for him--no way on that coin!! Glad y'all agree.

 

A lot of people do sir. I admit I am not on the latest toning bandwagon, but the one piece of advice I would give would be look at the surfaces. Nice original surfaces are always worth a premium, always have been. I think too many beginners think high prices are only for color, most of the times those coins have great lustery surfaces.

Concentrate on the surfaces, whether colored or not, and I think anyone can form a fine collection.

Color can be "debatable", surface condition can not.

 

If he labels it as MONSTER RAINBOW TONED. He just might get a couple extra bucks!

 

Oh, I love beautiful toning, as well as bright, white coins, but this "thing" is neither--it is a "monster" for sure--a monster ugly contest winner.

 

Real or AT, AU or MS. Who cares, it is butt ugly and only worth melt.

But if you would like to know, for your own info, I would think the toning is real(I would hope no one would do that on purpose ) and I think I see some rub on the reverse.

mike

 

You know what I think is really weird? The biggest junk dealer up this way labels 64 kennedy's as the "cadillac" of junk coins, since they are all worth full weight. He sells junk barber coinage for like 1 to 1.5 times face less than 64 kennedies. The price he charges for kennedies is the same as he charges for vf-xf WL halves.

I must seriously be missing something, or am just stupid. If I were in the market for junk silver I would be buying the heck out of those barbers. Is the slight amount of silver more in a kennedy really worth that much more than a collectible coin like a barber???

 

Or, get a couple of people putting him on the "do not buy from" list.

 

I'm with you on the Barbers , but for fun I just weighed some '64 Kennedys' which averaged 12.3-12.4 , a worn Walker was 12.1 and a Barber was 12.0 . So I guess when dealing with large #s of coins those .2-.3 extra grams must add up . Though I'd rather have the Barbers . Guess I'm more of a collector than a seller . Plus the Barber half I weighed would grade at VF so I imagine a really worn Barber would be lighter .

 

Makes sense...to be sure, I'll just buy both!

 

Real toning and mint state, but while some pay a premium for this, all toning is really a chemical change to the coin that makes it no longer strictly original.