1899 Morgan Dollar

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  1. akajcw95

    akajcw95 Member

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    I wanted to see what everyone thinks on the grade of this 1899 Morgan Dollar that I just bought. Thanks!
     
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  3. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    VG-F

    All the hits on both sides, laceration on Liberty's cheek, across her jaw and the two in the eagles breast, the long scratch from the tail feathers into the ribbon, there's also the mark beneath the arrowheads off the end of the olive branch.
     
  4. pumpkinpie

    pumpkinpie what is this I don*t even

    High AU, maybe very low MS.
     
  5. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    Depending on the luster, I'd say it would probably go MS62 or 63 and not really worth sending in. If it wasn't for the multiple marks on the cheek, it could have went higher. The fields are really nice. Is it slabbed?
     
  6. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    I agree with Vess, likely 62 or 63. For a vg-f you would have substantial loss of detail due to wear. The nicks and marks prevent a higher grade.
     
  7. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    VG-F??? Wanna sell me some of your VG-F Morgans???
     
  8. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Take into consideration that we're looking at a scan and not a photo, but my assessment is low as the larger hits look damaging to me and this may possibly get body bagged. I also don't see any luster in the scan either, and grading is done by what is seen, not what is thought to be there.
     
  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Low level MS--lots of hits, especially on the obverse. Reverse it quite a bit better. It doesn't look circulated--I'd say MS 61 or 62. Since it is a good date, I'd have it slabbed.
     
  10. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm going to agree with low MS for this coin. I see no wear and it has some pretty substantial marks...especially that hit on the cheek.
     
  11. Numis-addict

    Numis-addict Addicted to coins

    Well, is a scan not better at showing better details than luster. I actually think I see a bit of luster anyway. I'll have to say MS 61-62.
     
  12. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    If this coin is a VG-F , I'll take all you got . Hit's don't make a coin grade lower than MS only wear does , They just lower the # of MS it is . Definitely lower 60s to me like a 62 on a good day might even make 63 .
     
  13. Pacecar

    Pacecar Well-Known Member

    I would say MS60 due to the multiple digs on the coin, but I am stupid.:)
     
  14. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    You are not stupid. :) I am a very experienced Morgan collector, and to me it looks a little better, but you are not far off. Definitely uncirculated, and low level. 60 is NOT impossible, though I'd go for 61-62, as Morgans got pretty beat up in the mint bags, especially in the later years. It is a definite slab coin, as it is a low mintage year, and they go for decent dollars. :)
     
  15. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    You know, the more I look at it...the more I wonder if it is a little higher than a 61 or 62. It really isn't that marked up...it has a good hit on the cheek but is pretty clean otherwise. Plus, from my experience...scanned images (which I believe this is) tend to highlight dings sometimes. That hit might not be as bad as it appears. This coin could be MS63.

    As for being a slabber...I think it might be already. That white boarder sort of looks like an NGC slab to me.
     
  16. I will say MS63 and suggest you get it slabbed. Nice coin, low mintage year. TC
     
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Could go as high as a 63, although that cheek did take many hits, as did the area around the eye, and the the letters between E and PL on the Obverse. I'd say 62. Morgans got so many hits due to their size. Also, the mint bags were of different designs--from what I understand, there were as many as 9 different types of storage bags used in Morgan mintage cycles. Some allowed the coins to rattle around a lot more--case in point is that late Philadelphia Morgans have more marks than corresponding S mint examples in the later years. The coin is a must for a slab--does not look like an NGC slab, as there are no coin holder prongs. :) 1899 is one of the 5 lowest mintage dates for later Morgans, and it is a semi-Key. Take good care of it. :)
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Those prongs were added to NGC slabs in the last couple years. For a long time, the slabs were just white right up to the edge of the coin.
     
  19. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    MS62 here.
    The big hit on the cheek is too big for me to go any higher.
    But that is a good coin for the long haul.
    Congrates
     
  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

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    Here is one of my two 1899 Morgans for comparison. No guessing--this is a 63. This one has background hits, but not that much on the cheek.




    Yes, I know that. The border just doesn't look like the older NGC holder to me. I could definitely be wrong, as more of my coins are PCGS than NGC, but it looks like a paper background. Still say it is a 62.or low end 63 at best. Stand by my 61-62, with an outside shot at 63. Doesn't matter, unless one gets into the higher range with that date--then it gets very pricey and scarce. I have two 1899 coins, as that is an underpriced date due to the mintage. While rumors persist that the survival rate is higher than people think, I tend to anticipate that one as a big appreciation in the future--for many years, collectors have speculated on it, and whether or not gobs of them were hidden away. :)
     
  21. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    For those that don't know what a F Morgan Dollar looks like, here is some help.

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    Perhaps in the future, people who don't know how to grade coins should wait for Doug to respond, quote his post, and type +1.

    I grade the coin in the OP MS62.
     
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