The Faceless Wheat Cent (Mint Issue) ?

I can see that also, must be PMD

 

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well all of you say PMD , this is the normal way on this forum. let's give the OP a chance to get a experts opinion on the coin before we start dowing it. this one is worthy of a in hand examination IMO. all we need to do is use common sense , if the coin weighs 3 grams then it has not been ground off so some of you that think you know it all needs to give us a explanation of how it got flattened on only one side if you think it is PMD so much.

 

Hi, i'm a The Expert someone called. Hmmm yes, I see. Well, I don't know how to tell you this. This is something we like to call Post Mint Damage or P.M.D for short. Sadly, its not an error but on the bright side, it's about 2.5 cents in copper.

 

That looks like the wheat penny I smoothed down years ago, so it has to be post mint damage since I'm the one who did it. :thumb:

 

Oh no not another expert . now just what are you a expert at LOL ?
i just got thru reading one of your threads. 1000 POSTS IN LESS THAN A YEAR , now that's a real accomplishment. I see that you still don't have a reply on the old thread.

You sure are right about the error experts liking to yell PMD , this is a easy excape route when they don't know for sure what something is. anyone of them will tell you this is the way to do it , no one tries to hide this fact.

 

lets please stay on topic guys. it may or may not be an error. i know everyone has their opinion but we need to keep personal differences aside please. if the op wants a professional opinion im sure mike diamond would be happy to have a look at it for you make sure you email him first and he does charge a fee i believe but it is minimal.

thanks,
cody

 

A coin that is supposed to weigh 3.11 grams but only weighs 3 grams is missing quite a bit of weight. I'm thinking that this coin, having been struck normally, then again through a new planchet, then suffered a lamination peel. Rascal?

 

i agree with you rick but i thought the op said that his scale only went to the nearest gram which could mean its even lighter but the scale rounded it up or it could be a perfect 3.11 and it rounded it down. it could go either way

cody

 

the normal weight of a copper cent whether wheat back or newer copper Lincoln cent is around 3 grams for the circulated ones and around 3.10 grams for the unworn ones. I just got thru weighing a lot of wheat back cents and most of them was exactly 3 grams and a few were 3.1 to 3.2 grams. the extra .11 grams some folks are mentioning is only 11 one hundreths of a gram and this is so miniscule it can be removed by the coin just being handled in circulation for a little while.

 

If you read the post about his scale he states it is only accurate to the nearest gram which means this coin could weigh as little as 2.51 grams. As I stated before this coin has been ground down on the obverse. As for it being half of a two planchet strike, the pressure of the press would still leave distortion on the unstruck faces of the coin and would not have perfectly flattened the upset rim. The faces that were struck would be extreamly sharp as the press would be set to give the proper pressure at the thickness of one planchet, not two. This coin is PMD and nothing else. sometimes when everyone but you say that it is post mint damage, it really is and not some conspiracy of all the "non-professionals".
Richard

 

Yea I hear ye , I see that you say SOMETIMES when everyone but me says something is PMD it really is. I wonder why you didn't also say that sometimes when everyone else says it's PMD and I say it looks like a mint error that it is , I believe that if you check all the threads I have been on you will see that I'm right about as many times as I'm wrong .Maybe the photo is tricking me , the edge of the obverse rim appears to have the sharp and thin remnants of a raised up rim. if this is the case then the coin has never been ground or polished off. I'm thru with posting on this thread and the owner of this coin can get someone to examine it if they want to.

 

batting .500 is great if this were baseball, but it isn't. If you check the many threads where I have posted about errors I have been a whole lot more consistant than that. In the few inastances where I was incorrect I was quick to correct myself when it was pointed out to me, rather than continue to argue a point to death. When I know I'm right is when I will argue the point.

Richard

 

Actually they will NOT be flat and totally smooth especially when you get to the edges. The planchets will not expand exactly evenly all the way around, This means that in some areas the upper planchet will reach the collar first and in others the lower planchet will get there first. When this happens whichever one gets there first will flatten against the collar and force it's way toward the other one. The result will be a blank side with an uneven rising and falling edge as you go around the circumference. In some areas the rise will terminate in a sharp edge. (If both planchets aren't exactly centered each will show a raised flange around one half of the coin and depressed edge around the other half. In either case you will not have a totally flat and smooth side.) Also the anvil coin is show an incredibly sharp strike. The hammer coin will also show a sharp strike but will also usually exhibit a partial collar strike because the second planchet can't fit all the way down inside the collar.

 

Wow, I am absolutly flattered as to all the response to this thred. Sorry I was called away and could not
respond. As promised I am uploading a few more pic's of the coin for you all to see. Hopefully they are a bit clearer for a better judgement. The actual weight of the coin is 2.98 gr. so it is a little lite. I must say that as a newbe, a small glimmer of false hope is better than no hope at all. It's what keeps us comming back CT. to learn and understand this great hobby. From this thread, I have learned a great deal which to me is priceless. Thanks all. (now if someone could tell me what an OP is.....;-)

 

Much better pics and with an accurate weight, my opinion is ground down, PMD.
OP = original post/poster

 

Thanks d.t., Still trying to figure out the best way to take pic's (took about a hundred to get these 3)