it looks like it happened before it was struck because the "hole" is under the 5 and it messed up the reverse in the same spot. but i would think pressing it would have flattened out the planchet. post mint? and if so, how on earth did it not gouge out the five?
Post mint damage. Post strike damage. You can see the displaced material from the damaged area and the obverse shows the impact location.
No, it was something that struck the coin while the coin was laying flat on a hard surface. That much is obvious from the way the reverse is flattened.
Looks to me like it was laying on the ground, GD happened to see it on the ground as he was paying for his Big Mac, Got excited and dropped his wallet on the coin causing the damage.. Its all Dougs fault. PMD. Don't know what caused it but it does look like it was smacked
thats what i thought, but while the details on the reverse are flattened, the reverse area bulges out. it just confused me that the area under the five is gone while the five is still there.
Understand what you mean, but that's how it works. The side actually struck is dented in, but the real damage is done to the opposite side. That's because the force is transferred through the metal to the underlying side. And when that force is stopped abruptly, the metal on the underlying side flattens out because it has nowhere else to go. The same thing happens to planchets when they are struck.
That looks like PMD "stamping" to my eye. Kind of like what you'd see on a chompmarked trade dollar our a counterstruck large cent.
something like a small ball peen hammer would leave a mark like that. coin laying flat on rough, hard surface
