Grade this chief.

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  1. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I took a chance for $15. The images are not the best, and are dark. I had to dim them down to show detail. Luster is brighter in real life.


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  3. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    Too dark to grade well. Maybe AU50 or so.
     
  4. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    It is hard to grade well Detecto. If you could lighten them up some, it would be easier to details and such. Could go low BU, but the images show enough for AU.
     
  5. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Why is it a chief?
     
  6. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    I'm liking the better language for the IHC, but I don't think she's a chief.

    50 on her
     
  7. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    I thought she was Longacre's daughter.
     
  8. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    I'll guess XF-40.
     
  9. petro89

    petro89 Member

    I too think AU50 is about right.
     
  10. mackwork

    mackwork Caretaker of old coins & currency

    Too dark to see enough. How many diamonds?
     
  11. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Coin shows signs of wear. Ribbon is clearly melded with the curl - choice VF.



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    Honestly, Detecto... $15? Better start a thread and file a claim against the unscrupulous dealer who sold it to you. :rolleyes:


    "Chief"?? Tactless.
     
  12. mackwork

    mackwork Caretaker of old coins & currency

    Yep - now that we can see more detail and the ribbon, I'd agree with VF.
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    What's that going across the head and neck?
     
  14. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member


    This coin is not a VF. There is way too much luster left. Person I bought it from got it out of a BU roll.

    I'm going with a weak strike.

    The kind of luster present would not simply exist in a AU coin.

    Look at all the slabbed Au's. They get the brown grade. This coin is red-brown.
     
  15. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    While I agree that this is a RB coin, I think it will grade AU58 due to the weak obverse strike and the marks on the face/neck. The reverse shows a full strike and if just grading the reverse, I would call it MS, but TPG's will most likely put it in a high AU to low MS slab. I am concerned about the color too....might come back cleaned.
     
  16. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Weak strike or not, it will be called what
    it looks like and it looks circulated.
    The reverse rim on the first image
    looks to be merging with the denticles.
    Is that also from weak strike?
     
  17. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    On the reverse image I see a flattened and spreading
    rim from 1:00-3:00. How can that be Unc? Granted it
    could be a 50 rather than my 40 but I took it down two
    grades for calling it a chief. :(
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The coin looks damaged to me.
     
  19. mackwork

    mackwork Caretaker of old coins & currency

    Doesn't look even close to BU to me. Besides the ribbon merging with the hair, it even looks like some wear on the beads, but it may just be the terrible photo. Try to get a decent picture of it.
     
  20. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking maybe someone "doctored it" but when you dip, you loose that "cartwheel luster".

    It's been out of a BU roll for at least 50 years. Guy who I bought it from (and know well) said he got it from a old collection, and it was in a BU roll.

    Coins with this kind of toning are a bear to photograph. I will try doing some upclose photos with my loupe.
     
  21. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    This is the best I could do.

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