Is this coin bronze or silver?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Diomedes, Dec 26, 2022.

  1. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    I bought this coin yesterday from lodge antiques, and it says it’s a a Ae follis in its description but it looks silver to me, this is what the description says
    MAXIMIANUS. Ae follis. Nicomedia. 285-ca.310 A.D.. Nearly Extremely Fine. . 11568.
    the coin is 28.5mm
     

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    It could be the lighting or it's a coin that is well silvered, which is a big plus.
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I would guess the lighting. I will interested when you have it in hand.
     
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  5. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    I'm sure it's the lighting - it's typical of Lodge Antiquities photos. The coin itself is not silver.
     
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  6. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    Thank you. I will update on this post once i get it
     
  7. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Your coin is a nicely preserved silvered follis. The core is bronze, hence the AE designation, and more often than not with these coins the silvering is virtually gone. Finding an example with most of the silvering intact is quite unusual.

    What's the coin's weight?
     
  8. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    it is 8.34g and correction it is 28.12mm
     
  9. JohnnyC

    JohnnyC Active Member

    More likely re-silvered - you can see traces of corrosion under the silver.
     
  10. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    At 8.34 grams that coin is in the range of AE folles of the period. I really like the intact silvering.

    These are my only examples.

    Maximianus, AE Follis, Silvered, 286-310 AD, Siscia Mint.

    The bronze shows through at the high points, in places, especially along the rim.

    D-Camera Maximianus Follis, Silvered, 286-310 AD, Siscia Mint,, 7-21-20.jpg


    Maximian (Maximianus), BI Follis, Carthage, 286-310 AD.

    Here, the silver wash was applied at the mint to a billon coin.

    D-Camera Maximian Follis Carthage, NGC slab 1-1-22.jpg

    D-Camera Maximian BI Follis Carthage 286-310AD 10.46g NGC 1-1-22.jpg

     
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  11. The Meat man

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    Here is a coin I purchased from Lodge Antiquities. Their photo:

    Screenshot_2022-09-07-09-35-13.png

    My photo:

    diocletian_01.jpg

    As you can see, light glares off the dealer photo, making the coin appear much lighter in color than it actually is. I expect yours will look similar.
     
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  12. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    That's a beautiful coin and wonderful photographing.
     
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  13. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks! I'm always glad for an excuse to show it off, maybe a bit too frequently. :) It's one of my favorite coins and the photos turned out better than most.
     
  14. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    The lighting that Lodge uses casues the visual effect that you are seeing. I suspect that the coin will be dark brown. I have bought from Lodge and the following coin had similar images but I was aware of what I was buying. The coin had more remaining silvering than I expected as the Lodge image obliterated the location of the silvering. I didn't keep the Lodge image.

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  15. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I doubt that, the silvering layer was often rather thin, so you can have corrosion under thinning parts, or next to breaks in the silvering, potentially. I can't say that I've seen any actively re-silvered coins as I think you're describing.

    Here's an example of a silver coating that was a little on the thin side, with some level of corrosion on the base metal.
    Claudius II RIC 266.JPG
     
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  16. JohnnyC

    JohnnyC Active Member

    The trouble is that on the original Lodge coin the silver fills the corrosion pits.
    And there is no sign of any corrosion products, or of any wear of course.
     
  17. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Folles can still have a full silvering to them, but some pictures can be deceptive. Maximianus as Augustus from Lyon & Galerius as Caesar from Trier, both with full silvering remaining

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  18. Diomedes

    Diomedes Member

    I bought this coin yesterday from lodge antiques, and it says it’s a a Ae follis in its description but it looks silver to me, this is what the description says
    MAXIMIANUS. Ae follis. Nicomedia. 285-ca.310 A.D.. Nearly Extremely Fine. . 11568.
    the coin is 28.5mm
    UPDATE//////
    so i got the coin today and it was just the lighting of the photo here is the coin
     

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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Silver or not, it's a nice coin with a good patina.
     
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  20. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, that's how their photos tend to be. Very nice coin!
     
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  21. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    If you browse through their inventory you will find many coins that appear much the same as the OP coin but the description is "Glossy dark patina"
     
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