BBkingdom1: "Multiple coins available."

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.

Ebay seller "bbkingdom1" is selling NGC slabbed coins.

I purchased a slabbed franklin half dollar from him.

When you sell a specific coin, especially a slabbed coin, then you should only sell the one pictured.

So I noticed in his description "multiple coins available".

Curious, I emailed him and he in fact said "Sometimes I list multiple examples of the same coin, grade, mintmark, etc on the same listing."

So I asked "Will the coin pictured be the one I am receiving?" He said "no it won't be, the coin you purchased has milk spots on the reverse".

Since I have not paid for the item, I am going to go ahead and cancel the transaction.

If your going to sell slabbed coins, especially older ones where there can be a world of difference in appearance, I suggest photographing/scanning each one.

 

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I agree no coin should ever be sold from one picture and a different one delivered. I would complain to Ebay and explain to them how every coin is unique and therefor its unacceptable to have multiples if only one is pictures.

Very fair complaint IMO.

 

He is not allowed to use stock photos for coins anyway. Tell him you want to cancel.

 

You have learned well grasshopper.

This is worthy of a SNAD :thumb:

 

With all due respect, the seller makes it blatantly clear that he is offering multiples of the same date/mint/grade coin. There is no deception whatsoever. This is a simple sight unseen offering. It was your choice to buy generic.

 

I agree, but it would be one thing if the coins were all blast white and looked the same. It's another to have a picture of one coin and then mail one out with milk spots on the reverse. That is where the deception is. If this seller knew enough to call them "milk spots", then he knows enough, to know that no-one would want that coin. This is one time that I actually agree with *gulp...* Detecto....

 

Here's a first,

I agree with you Detecto. Good job!

 

Fine point, but this does not take away from the fact that when buying generic graded coins, there are risks that must (or should) be understood prior to buying. Detecto even admitted to understanding that not all coins will be identical, yet he bought anyway. The only thing this seller is guilty of is being tactless with his "milk spots" comment.

Which is worse... a guy selling sight unseen coins or the guy who found it necessary to start another thread complaining about someone else over a mistake that was his own. The seller made it clear to anyone who actually read the listing that they may not receive the coin shown.

 

I hear you man, there is a lot to be said for buyer responsibility. I myself have made a few purchases where I didn't fully read the description until AFTER I purchased the item. I sucked it up and considered it stupid tax. I was only responding to the "There is no deception whatsoever" part. I think there was, and for that I would cancel the transaction. It would be a completely different story in my opinion if he was upset over something trivial like the cert number not matching the picture.

 

Looks as if we agree to disagree

I would not even by trying to make this point had it not been clearly a sight unseen offering. Anything else and I too would probably (forgive me) side with Detecto. If he wants to cancel the buy, fine, but was it really necessary to bring it here and again bash a seller? Its about time for Detecto to start taking responsibility for his actions. Milk spots (if even true), hits, toning, or whatever are all part of buying generic, and is risk he chose to take. Paying a "stupid tax" is part of the game sometimes.

 

There was no need to file a snad. I did not pay for it yet, so I simply asked the seller to cancel the transaction.

The description stated:

Multiple coins available.

Which I simply inferred as the seller having different coins (IE different years, mint marks, etc) on separate listings.

Until I scrolled back up and saw "2 Available".

I did not care that there was more than one for sale, but I thought that when you do a multi-item listing, you can assign photos to each item and have it in the same listing.

Since I was confused I asked the seller.

So I do admit it was somewhat my fault for not reading the entire listing.

However I feel the seller is somewhat at fault for selling different slabs on the same listing. I've seem some MS64 coins that were complete dreck.


I think the seller should have said in the listing:

Note: I have different slabs of the same year, mint mark, and grade in this listing. The coin photographed may not be the coin you will receive.

 

I'm with Detecto on this one. Regardless of how you feel about "buyers educating themselves", "reading the whole listing", and so forth, we have these facts:

1) The seller is violating eBay's policy for listing certified coins:

I recognize that this policy puts a terrible burden on sellers, who might have to set up two listings instead of one. However, it's intended to head off abuses, such as...

2) When questioned, the seller acknowledged that he intended to sell a coin with defects, using a photo of a coin that did not have those defects.

You'll hear no whining about "another thread complaining" from this quarter. Thanks, Detecto.

 

I disagree that it was a sight "unseen" offering. It would have been IF the seller did not have any pictures, or it was clearly stated that "This is a stock photo", just stating "multiple coins available" does not really count as full disclosure in my opinion. Did Detecto make a mistake, sure he did. But should he have to follow through with the purchase? I don't think so. For the simple fact that the seller neglected to mention the milk spots, while fully knowing about them AND chose to use a picture of a different coin that did not have any. That is deceptive. I will also readily agree with you though, that I couldn't care less to hear about every adventure he has on Ebay and it is also annoying that he wants to lynch every seller whom he thinks did him wrong. That said, I am trying not to take his past threads into account on this one.

 

Keep in mind that we have only one side of the story, and its easy to point fingers when the other party is not here to defend themselves.

If you want to handle him with kid gloves or cry ebay policy, fine. I never said he should be forced to buy the coin, especially if it does have spots. I also never said the seller is totally in the right, but there comes a time when a buyer should carry some responsibility for their decisions. Even though this sellers listings are very clear, if he misunderstood, fine. Contact the seller and work it out between the two parties involved. What good does it do to run here with every little perceived problem he has?

I cannot be the only one who finds it hypocritical that just the other day he started a thread to point out a Franklin available on ebay - a coin covered in spots - yet now publicly bashes someone else for (supposedly) selling a coin with the very same issue as the one he just recommended.

 

Certified, raw, whatever, the seller should depict the coin they are delivering ! Some of these guys want to be wholesalers, getting near retail prices. If you cannot take the time, then maybe you should do something else ? I will only bid when I read the coin pictured is the one being sold ! Heck, I even pic the actual lot when I am selling a roll. What you see is exactly what I ship, and I expect everyone else to do the same thing.

Just sayin'

gary

 

It is a problem free NGC coin. I thought that the purpose of TPGs is that they could be bought sight unseen. I understand that it would be better to select the one with the finest eye appeal for the grade, but this is not an uncommon practice at all.

 

If you believe "sight unseen" has any bearing in reality in the coin market I have a bridge for sale. This was the biggest, original failure of TPG that they promised the marketplace.

 

Common coins are bought and sold in bulk like this by every major dealer. If that is not their purpose, we don't need them. How many dealers that you know look at every MS-69 ASE that comes across their desk?

 

This applies not just to slabbed coins but RAW coins as well. The only exceptions are things like junk coins for bullion value.

 

That is true,but "sight unseen" coins also sell at a significant discount to "sight seen" coins. This is the entire reason for the "blue sheet". It's prices depict sight unseen and the bids are a lot less for a reason.