Morgan dollar 1886 - Double date and stars

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Siggi Palma, May 6, 2012.

  1. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    Dont know if it´s just doubled or if it´s a VAM. And as I have no clue on vam´s I would just like to know if this is something ya might have seen before.

    You can see the date and stars are doubled or at least for me it looks like it.

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    Siggi
     
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  3. cpm9ball

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    Siggi, I don't believe that is doubling at all. I've seen that many times on coins, particularly on the outside edges of the stars and date, and it appears to be an artifact of the toning.

    Chris
     
  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna


    Agreed.
     
  5. Fall Guy

    Fall Guy Active Member

    That's very interesting. I didn't understand what you meant till I blew the picture up. Almost looks like a reverse shadow. Pretty cool.
     
  6. Siggi Palma

    Siggi Palma Well-Known Member

    I thought so as well Chris, But when I tilt the coin to it´s side with a loupe I see a high point on the doubeling. But it coudl be my mind just palying tricks on me.

    I´m going to see if I can get my microscope to work again.

    Siggi
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Seems to be a normal toned Morgan. I don't see anything out of the ordinary with it.
     
  8. cciesielski01

    cciesielski01 Laced Up

    i was going to say die deterioration but i see the toning you guys are talking about :p

    cody
     
  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Yes, it appears that there is toning around each star, so as to make it look deeper and more outlined than it would normally be, but that isn't unusual, as toning can accumulate in edges, ridges and stars.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    New term "Tone doubling", with the quotation marks to indicate it isn't a true form of doubling.

    Definition: An illusion of doubling caused by differential toning around devices and/or date.
     
  11. Coach

    Coach New Member

    I have a coin that looks just like this. My son found it in our collection. He immediately thought it was an error coin of some type. After doing some research, we thought maybe it was a result of a damaged die. So we decided to do some searching to see if there were other 1886 Morgan Dollars posted for sale on various sites, or pictures of 1886 Morgans that looked like our coin. We then found this site and this posting. Since at least 2 coins exist that look exactly alike, is it possible that this coin (and our coin) are the result of a damaged die? Looking forward to comments. Thank you.
     
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Chris and Conder are correct.
    It's been a long time but many used to think the following.
    When the coin was struck, the silver in those areas was stretched, work hardened? Not sure if that's the correct term for silver. This caused those areas to tone at a different rate. I may be wrong.
     
  13. Coach

    Coach New Member

    I understand what Larry is saying, but I want to clarify a little further. My coin looks exactly like Siggi's coin pictured above. The areas below the date, and below each of the same stars look the same. Could 2 coins tone exactly the same? Maybe they can based on the explanation you gave, I am not sure. I am a new to collecting so I just wanted to make sure I provided the correct information in order to learn what I have here. I will see if I can add a picture of my coin. Thanks.
     
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