Just got this today. Does this look like a 63?

PL coins are notoriously difficult to grade from pictures, and I find it curious that Ruben, who's generally a pretty logical guy and certainly knows this, to take such a hard stance on the grading of this coin.

Also, just because someone disagrees on the grade doesn't mean they dislike the coin -- it just means they disagree about the grade.

 

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Oh, I agree completely, Leadfoot. I wasn't being stubborn at the grade--after all, PCGS does think it was a 63 at time of submission. What I was amused at was his insistence, and his using 6 separate posts to be so vehement about it. I doubt he knows Morgans as well as do I (40 year collector of them), and have sold hundreds myself. I am teetering about the grade myself, and was curious, as usually, I find myself agreeing with PCGS, having owned so many of their coins. His repeating over and over in 6 separate posts his objections I thought was extremely funny, and overkill. I was in no way offended, as I am new to this message board, but not at all new to collecting.

 

Thanks, Amanda, I appreciate your obviously well-versed and thoughtful point of view. You were very polite with your opinion, as were most of the posters. Yes, grading is obviously subjective, and is situational sometimes, and not an absolute science. What I was trying to explain to a few folks is that this particular slab is a messy, scratched and nicked one. I really couldn't get a better photograph no matter how hard I tried. However, the coin does present itself well, and whether or not it is a 63 or better is really not critical. I was not being negative, just amused at this guy Ruben's vehemence at how sure he was that the coin was a 63. He has access to the same information that everybody else does, and still was a bit rude IMHO. I don't know him, and don't know his expertise, so it was a little surprising and funny to me.

Thanks for your time,
Morgandude11--David

 

I'd love to know what this is based on. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be a 64. It couldn't have gotten a 63 based on contact marks, IMO. The obverse left field looks like it has some marks but not bad. Its hard to see for certain what's on the slab and what's on the coin.

I agree with the OP. I bet it could upgrade.

 

Hello

FWIW - I just created this to help in the grading.

Amanda

 

Hi David! Thanks for your response....

Ruben is an experienced collector as well, and should know better, frankly, than to take such a hard stance on this coin with only a picture to go on. He obviously feels strongly for some reason. However, let's let him explain himself.

 

So people stating they feel a certain coin you own is a MS63 is a bit rude. But you going around calling people 15 year old kids because they don't share your beliefs is perfectly normal and fine?

Interesting.

A coin is just a coin. Whatever someones thoughts are as to a grade is their opinion. No need to get your feathers so ruffled because a person as a difference in opinion then your own.

 

No, I called you a 15 year old kid because you were acting like one, posting the same picture of the same coin over and over.

 

OMG I posted a few more pics of a coin WHEN SOMEONE ASKED ME TO? Blastfamy hang me at the gallows and burn my feet with a smoldering twig! How dare I.

 

Snaps,

There is one key word in your supposition that makes all the difference in the world to a collector.........."profit".

If the major concern for many of us is profit, then why are we collecting coins?

If you don't believe in submitting coins for certification or you don't believe in buying certified coins, that's fine, but I'll be willing to bet that you can buy a lot more raw dogs on SleazeBay than you can certified ones.

Chris

 

They were the same darn picture of the same view of the coin, with an 80 point font to attempt to measure reflectivity, and several of us wondered why you kept taking that same pic over and over--it showed nothing new. The word is spelled "blasphemy" by the way.

 

Oh I am with ya Chris. If someone is using a TPG to have their coin certified or assign a fairly accurate grade to, then I am all for it and they should do it. After all its their collection and if it makes them happy then I am happy for them.

There is some people who use the TPG though because they think its going to gain them more money on a resale then not. On a case by case basis yes it can happen. But overall especially on the more economically priced coins I believe it would be a loss on average is all.

 

Perhaps you should have looked closer, or pay better attention. A member said I should take pictures on PL or DMPL coins using a small font print in the reflective fields instead of the big "160 font" that I was using in the first pic. So I went and took a few nice pics using a small font.

Yes you are right its spelled blasphemy silly me. Now can you help me spell arrogant too please?

 

Sure, be glad to do so. "S-N-A-P-S-H-OT." Works for me.

"Or paid better attention." Wow, grammar is an issue here for you, as is spelling and syntax. BTW, the coin is still not a DMPL, and you are acting as if you're 15 years of age.

 

You are beyond help. I am just going to go about my business on the forums now as if you do not exist.

 

Who is being nasty now? You baited an adult, and you got spanked. Bad boy! Enjoy your dipped raw coins.

 

The sad part is you are so arrogant that you don't even realize how badly you act. Half you ideas of coin collecting that you feel are set in stone are not even right. You are just some guy who believes he is the most knowledgable, smart, amazing person to grace peoples presence. Therefore even when you are wrong, you believe you are right. Its sad. I am glad to have found the forum does have an ignore function.

Happy Collecting MorganDude11

 

Going back to the OP to me it is real hard to tell if it is more a 63 or 64 from the image. I do see what might be some haze on the coin and that could have been part of what held it back.

I own a mess of 62-64 PL's and DMPL's and some are real hard to see what the grader saw to keep it down. I picked up a 80-S in 63PL last week that I like more that a couple of my DMPL's. These low grade PL/DMPL coins have some real value that helps make buying them fun. I bought 4 more 63DMPLS yesterday so at least it is fun for me.

 

I share your enthusiasm for these coins completely, 'vette. The MS 63-64 PL and DMPL Morgan reasonable dates can be some of the most satisfying coins to own, as they won't break the bank, and are super attractive. They can be had in the mid $150's to $300, depending on condition and date for the non-rarities (either in PCGS or NGC slabs) . I honestly think the dirty, nicked holder with scratches makes it hard to see the true image of the coin. I shall try and clean the slab and polish it next week and take some more photos just for curiosity. I will post them.

 

Honestly, I think it was at least MS64PL if not MS65PL. The chatter always shows up more on prooflike coins and the cheek is in remarkable condition. Nice contrast on the coin too.