Four Morgan CC...genuine or fake?

We have a thread in an Italian forum about four Morgan CC

I never seen the coins, only photos, and by photos there are many doubts about its authenticity. The owner of the coins says that weight and diameter are correct, and the metal is silver.
The big problem is the price...he said that paid, for all, €120 ($160)...a very low amount, and there is a 1889, in not bad condition
The owner also says that an expert numismatist has seen the coins, and judged its genuine.

But there are many doubts, so I ask you an opinion...thanks to all.

Here are the photos:


1880




1882

 

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Those coins are most definitely counterfeit.

 

I can't add plus than 5 photos in one post, here are the others


1885




And finally, 1889




petronius

 

Fakes - all of them.

 

yes, all are no good, for the US Mint.

But, nice work from China.

 

The Chinese mint makes some pretty noice coins.

 

If only they could get their fonts correct, or even consistent and stop using a canary head on the body of a crow, they might fool more.
Guy

 

Yep... dull, lifelesss and all with the same wear and fake patina.

 

Please enlighten us that are not good at detecting fakes. What is it that screams fake to you guys. TIA

 

They are fakes. Look at the quality of the strike--it is extremely amateurish. Liberty's face has no depth, and appears one-dimensional. There is no mint luster whatsoever, and this lack of luster doesn't match the probable grade of Xf 45 or so. Look at the eagle on the reverse--it is poorly struck. Definitely an overseas fake.

 

Something you have to know about Chinese fakes, you don't see any evidence of luster on their coins. It's completely impossible to mimic on anything that's cast. For the detail evident (albiet not sharply struck), there should be luster under the letters and perimeter of the edge. The pastey white fields, eastern europe personality are all dead giveaways.

 

Thank you all, I communicated your responses in the Italian forum.

petronius

 

Liberty's chin sticks out too far on all 4.

 

Fake as fake can be.

 

The rims also look different

 

:scratch:

 

They all have similar telltale problems, the rim. The design on both obverse and reverse looks off too especially the fonts for the date and mintmark.

 

This is another Morgan CC, 1893, by the same guy who has the others.
It seems genuine, in Italy....and in USA?





petronius

 

This one actually appears genuine, but still hard to say for sure. If it is fake, it's waaay better than the others.