Kicked off the eBay boards AGAIN (this time, 30 days) c/o SGS "graded" coins!!

I responded incorrectly to a quote, so I deleted my response.

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

Stop blowing smoke over the facts. In the first place, my facts come from the public portions of Ebays websites.
You can view the bidders on an item by looking at the bid history during an auction. You can search for completed auctions and you can see who the winners are. Their feedback numbers are public on the website,. Ebay could care less if I look at public numbers to form an opinion.

Without doing a high school statistics project, something I feel you are fairly capable of, Anyone looking at the above public information would be struck by the vast number of low feedback numbers assigned to many of the buyers of aboncoms stuff.

feedback for aboncom is good because very few people file bad feedbacks anymore. People who do are often hit with retaliatory feedbacks from a seller. when a seller has as many sales as aboncom, even 100 negative feedbacks would make very little impact on his feedback rating. If a newbie buys five coins and only has a few feedbacks, leaving aboncom bad feedback on several items can knock a rating down 20% in a heartbeat. Combine that with the fact that until someone other than the buyer, who is more familiar with grading sees the coin(s) , Many of the buyers of SGS slabs don't realize they've been duped until it's too late to file a feedback. I have emails with links to many, many retaliatory feedbacks left by aboncom for others buyers on Ebay.

My research has found that aboncom is a top tier seller and that their are at least four sellers(probably more) under him that sell his products, using his pictures. Some of these sellers don't even change the name of aboncom's file before they use the picture. The lame excuse of Stock Photo, is poor when several people claim to have the same coins and then sell them under different names and they turn up under different numbers.

By the way, according to Ebay and the ANA, the use of stock photos is NOTallowed in the coin selling section of Ebay.

My research is enough to prove a pyramid scheme, fraud, misrepresentation of grades and more.

It is all in the hands of the ANA, and Ebay at this point. We'll see where it goes from there. This group of sellers is not very good about covering their tracks.

Nobody needs precise statistics to see that a group of sellers are misrepresenting thousands of coins. It would be as if a jeweler were advertising diamonds and selling cut glass. It is not until a reputable jeweler tells the victim that he has cut glass, that the victim knows he's been had.

You are all knowingly doing this with coins. One exchange that i have in email and I'll paraphrase, goes something like this.

Asking two questions of aboncom on an MS-70 coin being sold on Ebay with major flaws in the picture, went close to this.

I've read what an MS-70 grade is supposed to be, how is it that a coin "********" can be labeled as MS-70 when there is an obvoius scratch on it? The answer from aboncom. "It is just something that turned up in the picture" When a follow up question was asked, about the scratch being so obvoius, the answer was close to: "That's not the coin you are bidding on , we send you a different one"

What's that, Bait and Switch, admitted to by Deb at aboncom. Warren, It's gonna unravel! Soon.

Bill

 

Savannah Scammer.

Pamela Donnelly,the Savannah Scammer is now using the id 'estatedoctor' on Ebay.She has also been NARU'd from www.overstock.com .The main reasons why she has been banned is because she sells forgeries as if they were the real coins,& she posts negatives in those who try to get their money back.She also comes up with some of the most unoriginal excuses.She has been reported to www.coinaf.org & www.ebayersthatsuck.com .

Aidan.

 

Reading through the battle being waged between Midas and Foundinrolls aganist the coruptness of Steve's Gift Shop makes me proud to have joined this forum. Its peoplle like Steve ripping off new collectors with bogus slabs like SGS that drives people from the hobby. Keep fighting the good fight!

 

I'll PM you midas!

 

Steve, why would he perform a z-test, when he is only focusing on negative feedback?
Why a tukeys-test?

I think you have some confusion as to where these would be appropriately employed.

 

Actually why bother with such tests??? If every single buyer of SGS slabs are allowed to read this thread, and compare their purchases to what a genuine TPG would slab at, I would be suprised if none of their opinions change.

 

Seems like we should get some kind of petition going or boycott eBay, not that it would do any good. But Midas (and others) got f'd and there has to be some way to f them. Know what I mean? Just a thought.... :loud:

 

Fight the machine!!

 

Stop Sgs Slabing.

 

You have to love this !
SGS is plastered all over the coin discussion board.
8 different threads and all on page 1.

Book 'em Dano !

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/forum.jspa?forumID=8&anticache=1151417257022

 

My 30 days is up and I wanted to keep them together in one "happy - perfect - 70" group.

But since I am on "double-secret-probation", I have to watch my words very carefully. My intention is that if anybody "googles" SGS or Star Grading Service, they can easily find these posts. Keep in mind that I did not start these posts, but I am happy to contribute to them. Many will say, "give it a rest"...but it is outfits like SGS that will sour a large number of collectors and their interest in numismatics.

 

Tukeys-test ?
Now if that was a Turkey test you could
stick a fork in SGS 'cause they're done !

Anyone think SGS might give this an MS70 grade ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl.../search.dll?from=R40&satitle=8436178987&fvi=1

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8987&fvi=1

Thanks for giving me a much-needed laugh!

 

Welcome back to the e-bay threads.

I was figuring I would get an e-mail from the moderators becase of two of my posts. Haven't seen one yet.

I find it amusing those complaning posts of how the "SGS" thread are taking up so much topic space.... Those folks should get a LIFE...

All of those posts have "SGS" in their titles so they could easly skip over them IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO... But they really don't want to. They'd miss all the FUN! :goofer:

Any way each time they post they keep those posts on the front page:thumb:

 

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/coinalrt.htm

The Federal Trade Commission spells things out well here saying : "Certification services provided by dishonest coin dealers too often are part of fraudulent sales schemes and are intended to mislead consumers".

While I will make no accusations here regarding SGS, Abon or various sellers on Ebay, I would invite anyone who feels they have been frauded to contact the agencies provided in the above link including the USPS which is probably the quickest way to stop someone conducting fraud and using the postal system.

I was sad, however, in reading this thread that not once did Stevesgiftshop defend his ethics or explain that selling a product that "will get you laughed out of the local coin store" was indeed upfront and not misleading at all. Quoting a pcgs price is beyond misleading and some would be right to guess that that line alone is intent to mislead as referenced in the above FTC quote.

Personally, I could care less if people sell quarters worth face value on ebay for $50 UNLESS they are intentionally misleading consumers and commiting fraud which is a constant erosion of satisfaction for collectors/investors and hurts us all. While I cannot enforce ethics upon others I can certainly enforce them on myself and I plan on contuing to do that.

 

Has there been any more news about Stevesgiftshop,SGS,& Aboncom? If they haven't been NARU'd,then they should be!

These scammers deserve to be goneburgers!

Aidan.

 

HI
Wow!
I just read through tis! it took me hours! I have a question that doesn't seem to have been touched on (believe it or not!" SGS claims to be "Star Grading Services" has anyone tried or know anyone who has tried to submit a coin for grading? If so what was the result? It seems to me that if they fail to accept a coin for grading that would prove them to be "private" rather than a service and if they graded a coin improperly and return it through the mail it would be direct evidence of mail fraud. If anyone has an address I have some pocket change that needs grading!
Ziggy

 

I think some people have tried, but sgs told them they were way to busy to accept new submissions. Transtated means....we haven't slabbed all or recycled bank rolls yet.

 

ziggy,

Read THIS THREAD!

Interesting double talk from "Star Grading Service"!!!