Need Help IDing Chinese Cash Coins

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by CollectorCraig, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. CollectorCraig

    CollectorCraig Buckaroo

    Hey, everyone. I've tried to identify these myself using catalogues, but I'm having a real rough go of it. Could anyone here lend me a hand? Some of these coins seem to be corroded, so identifying those ones might be difficult.

    Thanks in advance!

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  3. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    It is sometimes very hard to see what's on the coin unless it is in hand. I would suggest that you take the coins to the library and get a copy of both the 18th and 19th century Krause books and start wading through them. They all look to be the same denomination (1 cash). If you have a Krause at home, all the better, but they are too hard to ID without proper magnification or having it in-hand.... and not clear enough on a monitor.
     
  4. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    If you're going to a library anyway, just skip the Krause volumes - I find them to be terrible with Chinese cash. Find a copy of David Hartill's "Cast Chinese Coins."
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I also think that one of those is Japanese. At least none of them appear to be Annamese.
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    The largest coin (upper right corner) is Japanese, as are any with the same obverse legend. That should help a bit!
     
  7. jlblonde

    jlblonde Señor Member

    This is the best I can do for you on these. I'm not an expert, but I have some of the same coins in my collection.
    Enjoy!

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  8. CollectorCraig

    CollectorCraig Buckaroo

    Thanks a bunch, guys. Especially jlblonde!
     
  9. Assur

    Assur Junior Member

    Sorry be here late!
    Jiblonde did great job!
    The last one which is quite worn is also from Ching Dynasty, Kao-Tsung (Chien-Lung Emperor). The three Te-Tsung cashes ar among the earliest milled coins in China.
    Many Janpanese cashes were also used in China and vice versa. Your ones are all Kanei-Tsuho. They are the commonest type of Japanese cashes and can be divided into many subtypes. The largest one is a 4-Mon type Kanei-Tsuho, which was used as 4 1-mon Kanei-Tsuho (those small ones).
    Regards,
    Assur
     
  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Assur, great profile coin. Is it Turkish Central Asian? I don't recognize it as Hepthalite, (unless south Tokaristan) or Sogdian, (unless early Bukharan).

    Btw, I agree with Arditirion. Krause is ok for struck Chinese, (and to be fair Chinese start to get complicated), but for any cash I would go with Hartill for ease of use.
     
  11. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Yes, there are many Japanese Kanei Tsuho coins in the lot. The coins with 文 on the back are Japanese 1-mon coins, and the coin with the "wave" pattern, as was noted earlier, is a 4-mon coin (4000 mon = 1 ryo in the old Japanese monetary system).
     
  12. Assur

    Assur Junior Member

    Hehe, it is actually a British hammered penny in the reign of Stephen (1135-1154), one of my favourate hammered pennies. I posted it before in this forum, please have a look:
    http://www.cointalk.com/t149164/
     
  13. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Weird. It sure looks all of the world as a Sassanid imitation in a Turkish style.

    Maybe I just think about them too much. :) Cool coin.
     
  14. CollectorCraig

    CollectorCraig Buckaroo

    Thank you, Assur, Medoraman, and Collector1966 for your input. :)
     
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