Hey guys, I had recently gotten these coins at my local coin show and was wondering your thoughts of the grading in your opinions. Here's what I got: 1909 V.D.B. 1909 V.D.B. (Paid outta the nose with this one ($23) but liked the eye appeal) 1865 3 Cent 1958-D Lincoln Cent 1963-D Franklin Half Dollar
1st '09 VDB- VF30/35 (Rim ding @ 2 o' clock on reverse?) 2nd '09 VDB- MS63+/64BN (Scuffs consistent with 63, with the luster of a 64) '65 3cN- VF20 '58-D 1c- MS64RD '63-D 50c- MS62 (Impaired Bell Lines) -Brian
1st 09 v.d.b.: Genuine, cleaned (VF35 otherwise) 2nd 09 v.d.b.: Genuine, cleaned (MS64+ otherwise) 65 3CN.: Genuine, cleaned (VF30/35 otherwise) (not good at grading 3CN) 58-d Cent: MS65/66RD 63-D 50c: MS62 (again not experienced enough w/ 50c)
1. Fine but it does look damaged. The right side of Lincoln looks scuffed up 2. MS 64 looks nice and clean 3. Fine and possibly a close low VF. A couple letters on the obverse looks weak. 4. I want to say MS 65 but there seems to be some marks on the left of the obverse. So maybe MS 64? 5. MS 64 A few marks on obverse but otherwise a good looking coin. I guess this is also good practice for me.
Practice is what I was aiming for. It is great that I bought the second '09 VDB as an AU but I think it would be low AU58 IMO. And you guys got the Genuine on the first one, it does show light pink on the high points from a previous cleaning. I bought it shortly after I got the second '09 VDB because I wanted a circulated one for the Whitman. I do believe the 3c is original surfaces F-15 The 58-D would get a MS63 IMO And the Franklin would get a 63 You can probably guess my grading isn't quite liberal as the TPGs are now. :yes:
Well, I suppose grading coins in-hand beats grading from low-quality photos (no offense) any day. Good job with your grading. I didn't detect the cleaning at first glance, but now I see that "luster" on Lincoln's hair. -Brian
1st 1909- Cleaned- XF Details/Genuine 2nd 1909- MS63 1865- VF Details/Genuine 1958- MS66 1963- MS63 no FBL (FBLS aren't common for any 60s Franklies)
1) VF Details 2) AU55 tops 3) F 4) MS62 tops 5) Better images needed. 1) More than one issue causing a details grade as was previously mentioned. 2) Second VDB has visible wear on the cheekbone and jawline. 3) Surfaces look ok in images. Lacking too much detail for a VF. 4) Too many serious hits in prime focal areas to warrant any higher a grade. 5) As above. Please post another photo. Will you please explain your opinion as to why the TPGs are so "liberal" now? What types do you believe this to be the case with? Honest question.
Log, I love the 3 center and the price was right at $6.50 As for Books, I have seen many AU Sliders go into MS slabs lately. Ever seen the OGHs get upgraded sometimes up to 4 whole points? That is what I mean by them being liberal. Loved the grading they did back then. Spot on.
Fine coin for that price (3CN) As for the TPG/liberal question, in some cases I agree and others not. This is why I asked which types you were referring to as all depends on the coin and type. There are coins that the TPGs are actually tougher on now than in the past. Third party grading is nothing more than a game. Understanding how each company grades X coin type and submitting accordingly (knowing how to play the game) is key. Have I ever seen a four-tick upgrade? Yes, just as I've seen the opposite occur. While many coins that once resided in rattlers, no-lines, OGH, white ANACS, etc have upgraded, a sizable percentage have not. Whatever leniency people believe they see has more to do with market acceptability than a TPG having lax standards. The TPGs possess great power over this hobby, but they are businesses which need to keep their customers happy in order to stay in business. Had most collectors not accepted the grade-flation that has affected certain types today, this would be a non-issue. An AU58 that is a true slider and market graded low MS is or can be understandable, but with a lightly circulated AU58 it is not. In most cases I agree with you on today's standards versus standards of the past. However, the blanket belief many people possess that all grading is more lenient today is simply not true.
