Questionable Color

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Doug, if you ever agreed with anything I wrote, I'd plotz!

 

Just havin' some fun with ya
But I think returning coins for "questionable color" and still collecting a fee is ethically shaky.
YMMV

 

Welcome to CT!

Doug nailed it pretty much. The only thing I would add is just because a TPG rejects a copper coin for color that doesn't necessarily mean it's "questionable". It simply means they don't want it in one of their slabs because it doesn't meet their predefined criteria for "look". Like you, I've had my fair share of rejections and many other collectors have as well. If you're determined, you can always resubmit or cross over to a different TPG for another opinion...but the coin better be worth the expense.

Good Luck!

 

As long as "you-know-who" includes PCGS, NGC, and ANACS because they will all do this. Any doubt whatsoever for any reason and it gets Detailed.

And I don't know if I would call it a scam. It may just be being over cautious to avoid making payouts. Just because you can send it in a few more times until it finally grades doesn't mean they were running a scam any more than sending in your MS-62 in enough times until it comes back as a 64 means they were trying to rip you off by undergrading it before. It can just mean that it finally got into a slab it doesn't deserve. And it is NOT coming out again!

 

They tell you up front that if it doesn't grade the fee still applies.
Ya pays your money and ya takes yer chances.

 

Just wondered when someone would mention this - since that was my first thought. I have seen several questionable color coins that looked just fine to me. Then again they were not worth the cost of a second try at grading. Just my opinion.

 

Sorry for the poor quality from the cell cam, but I just got these back in the mail. Here is the coin in question.

Eggman

 

I would want to see it in hand. The photo's do not really show any luster on the coin and the carbon spot looks bad. Still a nice details coin.

 

I think they got it right, that IHC has the distinct hue and lusterless look associated with dipped copper.

 

First, because you assumed the same thing about Krispy. Second, because you've yet to show any proof of your assertions. Third, because the proof you have offered has been based on (a) your personal opinion of Mr. Willis and/or (b) factually incorrect.

Am I wrong?

Again, what is your personal grudge against Mr. Wills?

Put up or shut up.

 

Thanks. Looking at other slabbed coins of the same vintage I can see some similar however the majority have a different look. This was one of the first coins I bought as an eight year old boy at an auction in the early '80's and my emotional attachment trumped reality.

Eggman

 

Yeah, that looks recolored.

PCGS made the right call there, despite what someone here will say. Perhaps he'll put his money where his mouth is and buy it off you for MSRD money, since PCGS's opinion is hogwash to him.

 

Here is another one, I bought it as MS63 if I recall: https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/40598/1902-Indian-Cent-PCGS-Genuine-AU-Details

Last year NGC said something similar, I ran it through NCS and it came back MS64 or so. So there is a method to their madness. Too bad PCGS doesn't have a conservation corps too.

Before people jump all over me for being a sucker, the dealer I bought it from has been right more times than not.