1881-s REDFIELD MORGAN$ GRADE AND VALUE HELP

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  1. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    I found this morgan at a local antique shop and loved it. Price was great too. Only problem is i am stumped on what the grade is. My guess would be a 64+. Not a 65 but close. I would love some opinions on grade. Also i would appreciate a value quote if anuone could. Im not sure how much if any at all the redfield case increases the value..............thanks guys..Mike

    Also, before it is said, yes i know my pictures are just awful. All i have now is my camera phoe and bad lighting and i apologize for it. But if u guys can make a guess to help me with these photos i would appreciate it.
     

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  3. MAKECENTS

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    Also..this is labeled a silver dollar from the redfield collection. It is not a paramount regular case.
     
  4. MAKECENTS

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  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    To be honest...it's hard to tell from the photos. I see a very clean coin with only a few nicks and contact marks. But, I'm unsure if it is MS. I see what might be a small rub on the obverse just above the ear. The 1881-S is one of the best and most consistent struck coins in the series (only below the 1880-S)...and I'm concerned that I see a little loss of detail above the ear as well as what looks like a luster break. But, it's really hard to tell. If there is a luster break, I would call this AU58, if it's not I'd say MS64.

    Also, please try and be patient. Sometimes it takes more than a couple hours to get a response.
     
  6. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    so strange. i mean i know it says ms 65 on the holder and obviously its a different grading system but i didnt think they would throw an au in there. but i do see what you are saying...another odd thing is that this coin has no frosty bust which i usually see on ms 81-s. you may ne right with the au. only thing is the reverse shows zero wear.
     
  7. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    sorry for the impatience. also off topic but does anyone know a mid range priced digital microscope camera that it seems alot of u guys use to photot graph
     
  8. RedTiger

    RedTiger Member

    The Redfields and Paramounts sell for strong money on Ebay. Even though most of the MS65 labeled coins are more like MS63's by today's standards they often sell for full MS65 money. That's about $160 for the common dates, with Redfields on the high side of that number, Paramounts on the low side. Buy-it-now sellers on Ebay usually ask for more than that. Actual grade is not that big a deal as long as the coin isn't really ugly, because much of the premium is for the holder. By all means leave it in the old holder.
     
  9. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    that much just for the holder?!!
     
  10. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    they are from a (the) most famous collector of US coins. so they are not like the 22million NGC holders or even the GSAs.
     
  11. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    Yea i guess you are right. I mean i like pedigree coins....i am suprised binion do not carry a heavy premium
     
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Since when was Redfield a or "the" most famous "collector" of US coins? He was not a collector in the true sense of the word, he was a hoarder. Have you ever read anything about his "storage" methods? Lets just say the man was no Eliasberg.
     
  13. BooksB4Coins

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    Same thing. Do yo know the story of Binion or his coins? It is absolutely understandable that they carry a small, if any premium. While technically a "pedigree" coin since NGC says so (har har), no one in their right mind would view any of his along the same lines as an Eliasberg, Bass, and so on.
     
  14. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    yes I know the story I feel it isn't so much different from red field.yet red field command a decent premium
     
  15. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    didn't say he was the best collector, just one of the most well known.
     
  16. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    Anyone have any grade guess other than the 64 one person graded
     
  17. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna


    Where exactly did I imply that you did? I see nothing wrong with attempting to clarify the fact that Lavere Redfield was not a numismatic-based coin collector. Mr. Redfield was a silver hoarder who did not trust the banks of his day nor cared about any numismatic (aka "collectible" value) his coins had.


    "The" or "one of the". Does it really matter?


    As for the OP's grade question, without better images any opinion would be nothing more than a guess.
     
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