you might think I'm crazy

I have not included the many pages of documented proof I have researched however if you have any doubts I will gladly do so.



I have traced this coin back to the late 1700 early 1800s.. to County Armagh. Northern Ireland where I was born.

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I have linked my coin to Matthew Boulton as he supplied blanks to the Philadelphia Mint of the young United State and produced coinage in his private mint in Soho in Birmingham

I have linked Matthew Boulton to my uncle as he had a partner named William Murdock who is related to my uncle

I have linked Matthew Boulton to Benjamin Franklin who designed the 1776 currency coin

THE EDGE OF MY COIN

A Sheffield plate is a sandwich of two thin layers of silver over a core of brass or copper.

This technique was introduced in Sheffield, England to make inexpensive silver flat ware and got taken over by counterfeiters shortly thereafter.

The silver is usually 0.900 fine so that the surface color was right and the layers were hot or cold welded with high pressure rollers.

The material was drawn out to the proper thickness and cut with a cookie cutter
The edge where there was exposed copper needed some cover up work, but they were very good copies.

Die work was decent - some dies were attributed to Matthew Bolton himself.

The original Birmingham issue (of the two) was done at the outset of the war with Spain (1796). with the indirect support of the English government. They were exported to the orient


They are detectable by their use of incorrect fonts and by the way they are edged.

The Birmingham product used a single die edger and applied a strip of silver on the edge to cover the core. They usually have a single overlap of the edge detail and often have rolled edges


Watson's Study
Sylvester S. Crosby's Early Coins of America, published in 1875, remains highly valuable for its historical reference regarding the background of various colonial issues. However, he was unable to find out much about the 1776 Continental Currency coins.

We do know from Crosby that they were contemporary issues of the time, for he reports on Watson's Chemical Essays, a book published in Dublin, Ireland, in 1791, that discussed the composition of the pewter pieces.

According to Crosby, Watson wrote: Recently, John Kleeberg has shown the ship known as The Faithful Steward, which left Londonderry in Northern Ireland on July 9, 1785, was carrying a large quantity of illegal counterfeit British halfpence to America. also suggested, based on hoards of counterfeits found in Ireland (as the 206 counterfeit halfpence found near Jonesborough, County Armagh, now in the Ulster Museum), that some British and Irish counterfeit halfpence imported to America may have been made in Ireland rather than England.


THE EDGE OF MY COIN

A Sheffield plate is a sandwich of two thin layers of silver over a core of brass or copper.

This technique was introduced in Sheffield, England to make inexpensive silver flat ware and got taken over by counterfeiters shortly thereafter.

The silver is usually 0.900 fine so that the surface color was right and the layers were hot or cold welded with high pressure rollers.

The material was drawn out to the proper thickness and cut with a cookie cutter
The edge where there was exposed copper needed some cover up work, but they were very good copies.

Die work was decent - some dies were attributed to Matthew Bolton himself.

The original Birmingham issue (of the two) was done at the outset of the war with Spain (1796). with the indirect support of the English government. They were exported to the orient


They are detectable by their use of incorrect fonts and by the way they are edged.

The Birmingham product used a single die edger and applied a strip of silver on the edge to cover the core. They usually have a single overlap of the edge detail and often have rolled edges


I have documented proof regarding various other topics including but not limited to ....

• Ugly head" WASHINGTON THE GREAT" coin with ring similar design
• WEIGHT OF MY COIN 11.9 grams
• CURENCY was not mispelled by accident it was done on purpose to avoid illegal counterfiting
• Silver plated copper
• the relation of the 1776 currency coin to several other coins I inherited with my coin

1891 half penny
mexican and spanish coins from before 1776
1876 Florin
several 1906 chinese coin ....one very rare

• and so much more !!!

:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:


not so sure its a cast fake toy now ???????

 

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I'm so glad you' ve used your time off here wisely.:rollling:

 

It's a toy.

 

If this was something, the collectors would have been all over it, praising you and congratulating you for your find. As it stands, not a single voice has agreed with with. There have been some spectacular finds here on Coin Talk and when they have appeared there was instant excitement. Your's has been determined to be a replica and you are too stubborn to accept it.

If you want definitive proof, contact the ANA and they will have their expert examine it. I'm tired of seeing it here and reading your twisted reasoning.

 

Possibly.

Rest assured it is.

 

Even if you convinced some people here that you were correct, you'd still have to get it authenticated before anyone would drop much money on it.

Why waste your time instead of just sending it to someone to be authenticated?

 

:dead-horse:

That's an understatement.

It's a fake.

 

Unfortunately for your admitedly elegant theory Matthew Boulton had cast off his mortal coil in 1809, many decades before Hong Kong was ever heard of.

It's toy money Irisheyes, I know you don't want to believe it but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

Just send it in, get it authenticated and prove us all wrong.

 

Why do that and deprive us of endless posts by an obviously dedicated troll?

 

Wow, you have uncovered documented proof of the Washington ugly head! Congratulations, this has eluded the greatest minds in colonial numismatics for two hundred years! Many numismatists have researched for most of their lives, and this issue has remained a mystery, can you share this documentation?

 

Yet another thread on this fake coin - geesh!

 

Troll is trolling. It is way beyond simply not wanting her coin to be fake.

 

"you might think I'm crazy"

no comment


"I have traced this coin back to the late 1700 early 1800s.. to County Armagh. Northern Ireland where I was born."

No you haven't


"I have linked my coin to Matthew Boulton as he supplied blanks to the Philadelphia Mint of the young United State and produced coinage in his private mint in Soho in Birmingham"

No you haven't. Mr. Boulton's work is quite well documented, and I have books on his mint, and there is no fake Continental Currency halves produced there

"I have linked Matthew Boulton to Benjamin Franklin who designed the 1776 currency coin"

I don't know what that has anything to do with anything, Mr. Franklin just suggested a design

"A Sheffield plate is a sandwich of two thin layers of silver over a core of brass or copper.

This technique was introduced in Sheffield, England to make inexpensive silver flat ware and got taken over by counterfeiters shortly thereafter."

This mechanism cannot be used on struck coinage. If you are admitting your coin is cast, then you are admitting that its a forgery not created by any mint. Is that your breakthrough?

"The original Birmingham issue (of the two) was done at the outset of the war with Spain (1796). with the indirect support of the English government. They were exported to the orient"

Maybe, but they would NOT have exported experimental US coins, and they sure as heck would not reference HONG KONG, which was NOT in existence then. Did you forget that?



"The Birmingham product used a single die edger and applied a strip of silver on the edge to cover the core. They usually have a single overlap of the edge detail and often have rolled edges"

But they were struck and your coin plainly was not.


"Watson's Study
Sylvester S. Crosby's Early Coins of America, published in 1875, remains highly valuable for its historical reference regarding the background of various colonial issues. However, he was unable to find out much about the 1776 Continental Currency coins.

We do know from Crosby that they were contemporary issues of the time, for he reports on Watson's Chemical Essays, a book published in Dublin, Ireland, in 1791, that discussed the composition of the pewter pieces.

According to Crosby, Watson wrote: Recently, John Kleeberg has shown the ship known as The Faithful Steward, which left Londonderry in Northern Ireland on July 9, 1785, was carrying a large quantity of illegal counterfeit British halfpence to America. also suggested, based on hoards of counterfeits found in Ireland (as the 206 counterfeit halfpence found near Jonesborough, County Armagh, now in the Ulster Museum), that some British and Irish counterfeit halfpence imported to America may have been made in Ireland rather than England."

Just information about fake coins being smuggled in from the Old World, no proof they counterfeited this coin. Btw, those coins they are talking about are all small struck coppers, not a fake cast coin


"I have documented proof regarding various other topics including but not limited to ....
Ugly head" WASHINGTON THE GREAT" coin with ring similar design
WEIGHT OF MY COIN 11.9 grams
CURENCY was not mispelled by accident it was done on purpose to avoid illegal counterfiting "

Total error on its face, the misspelled word was an accident of the die engraver, very common. Look at Ameri. chain cents

"Silver plated copper
the relation of the 1776 currency coin to several other coins I inherited with my coin
1891 half penny
mexican and spanish coins from before 1776
1876 Florin
several 1906 chinese coin ....one very rare
and so much more !!! "

Yeah, post that pic again so everyone can see your other fakes. I have asked before to post that photo again so everyone can see how the other coins that this one was found with are fake as well.



"not so sure its a cast fake toy now ??????? "

Oh, I am very sure, and so is every single knowledgable person here.

Chris

 

This one???

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. You have made numerous posts touting the authenticity of your coin, and your connection to its past. Numerous posters with more knowledge than me have refuted your claims. None of your attachments open for me. So I can't even read your research.

Do I think you're crazy? I, personally, couldn't care less. But, for your own peace of mind (as the general consenus leans the other other way ), try this:

http://psychcentral.com/ocdquiz.htm

Pay particular attention to questions #14, #15, #17, and #20. If you answer "yes" to any of these...