Questionable Color

So, my first post here.

I've been collecting with my father since I was a child. We did quite a bit of collecting in the early and mid 80's and then stopped for 25 years. We've recently started collecting again in earnest and I've been sorting through our old stuff and doing more than a few submissions to PCGS for grading. Have been reasonably successful but just got some surprise body bags. I submitted a series of late Indian cents and got two rejected for "questionable color". One was a 1907 that I thought would come back RD65 or 66.

I'm just shocked that a coin that we've had in our safe for 30 years would get rejected for questionable color. I have pics of the coin and will post when I get home. Just venting for today. On the plus side had a 31-s Lincoln come back a RD64 and I called it a RD62.

Looking forward to more participation here. We are focusing on a complete Morgan set with varieties and only need a few more.

http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=79993&ac=1

Eggman

 

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Welcome to coin talk! Glad you found us!

 

Nothing that PCGS does surprises me anymore.
If you were to resubmit those "questionable color" coins again, they probably would grade.
PCGS is, IMO, a sleazy outfit.

 

This was also also a disappointment. I knew there were scratches, but there is always hope..... Purchased from a dealer in southern missouri in 1985 for $400.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/24410572.html

 

Wow, that's a lot of morgans!

 

You should write under your screen name, "Hates PCGS"

 

Good idea!

 

"That Anti-PCGS Guy" - Even better. Haha

 

:welcome: to CT Eggman.

Please take that heavily skewed and unsubstantiated post regarding one's personal opinion of PCGS with a grain of salt. They haven't done a thing to welcome you here nor attempted to discuss the topic you raised about your coins coming back with questionable color.

There are a lot of CT members here who can help you with copper cents and problem coins, so don't be shy to post pics and ask the questions that leave you puzzled like the problem that left you venting here. Now, just because you've owned older coins for a good number of years yourself that doesn't mean that the problem the TPG cited wasn't there all those years that they sat in your safe and under your care. Those coins had a long life before you came to possess them and it may be that you have to hone your eye some more in order to spot these issues before submitting more coins to this particular TPG. Your past collecting activity may have been fun but you seem to have come into possession of some problem coins then too. So, I wouldn't be shocked, but instead try to consider yourself a bit more 'experienced' now, even if it was a little costly to learn about it this way. These examples might help you from repeating the mistake of buying problem coins (that you are now collecting in earnest) and finding out in another 20 years from now that they too had problems to begin with.

Thanks for the link to your registry coins, it's great to see a new member with a lot of potential coins to share joining the forum. Even though that 1893-S Morgan got a Genuine, I still like that kind of worn toned coin with the lighter devices and darker fields. It's got character from a long life in circulation.

Again, Welcome to CT! :thumb:

 

I agree completely with your assessment. We didn't know what we were doing all those years ago. Dipped? Whizzed? Huh? It has been like a treasure hunt strolling down memory lane remembering all the auctions. We kept many of the purchase tickets and bid sheets, and I can assure you that even with all the mistakes we did ok. I'm spending hours with the loupe looking and learning. Thanks for the kind welcome.

 

welcome
why not post a picture on the questionable color coin

 

I love you too Krispy :brokenheart: - way to carry a baseless grudge.

 

The OP states he has pics and will be posting them eventually...

 

Welcome Eggman.
We love images. Questionable color is all part of the game with copper and it's not all that bad. When PCGS and NGC see coins with colors that are not the normal, they question it. They worry it might turn in the holder. A few years back they would have had to buy it back if it turned. They won't do that now but they still question color.

Pick one you feel good about and send it back in raw with the next batch. Some but few will make it the second time. I quit playing the game a few years back and just live with the first grade.

 

:welcome:glad you can join us an we like to take a look at them coins :yes:

 

One could argue quite the same thing with your "baseless grudge" against PCGS.

What did they ever do to you to raise such ire?

 

Why do you assume that my anti-PCGS bias is baseless.
You don't know why and I haven't said.
So why put your oar in?

 

Well it was made in 1907, and it has been in your safe since 1980, that gives it 72 years before it got to you for something to happen to it that could give it "questionable color". Second thing is the grader has no clue what the specific history of a coin is before it gets to them. All they know is "I've got this coin in front of me and it looks fine, but something is giving me a hinky feeling about the color. Don't know what it is because it doesn't LOOK bad, but I had better listen to that feeling or we might have to payoff on the guarantee. Questionable color!".

In other words if they have ANY doubt, substantiated, unsubstantiated, whatever label it questionable.

 

AND collect their fee - along with the second fee they'll charge when it gets sent back for another opinion.
"Questionable color" is just one of the fee-generating scams perpetrated by you-know-who.