1889 CC Morgan dollar

hey guys have been nervous for awhile about this coin i actually obtained thru work....somebody actually paid with this 1889 cc morgan dollar...shocking i kno i paid 20 for it from my manager who took it..seems to good and too lucky so i wanted to see what you guys thought based on my photos....granted photos can be misleading i will post close ups also....thanks

 

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Your photos are a little too blurry for my eyes, but something doesn't look quite right. Check it against the diagnostics at the link below.

http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=18

Chris

 

idk cuz when i compared the CC marks with other pics they seem accurate...maybe i just need to take it to a coin dealer

 

I will try to post pics of CC morgans i have been comparing to

 

Well for starters does it clink right? Lol. Proving that it's silver.

 

The good fakes are made out of silver.

 

well, 1st my father ,who is a far more advanced coin collector then me, that this is a real 1889 morgan dollar because of the wait...(he had like 250 including a fake one which he say nows how a fake one weighs) and that...also it does not say copy (like supposed to if it is a copy) and It is not magnetic..based on comparison on the other post that lead me to post this thread...and other items on Ebay the mintmarks look authentic...maybe the picture is just bad and what is causing the confusion

 

*Weight not wait

 

The mint mark looks added post mint. Someone took a common Philadelphia Morgan, mintage 11,875,000, and turned it into a rare Carson City Morgan, mintage 350,000, by adding the CC to the reverse, and it looks like a poor job of doing that I might add.

 

well good news, took it to 2 Reputable coin dealers and both say it is authentic and even recieved a offer for it so it is authentic...thanks everyone

 

The coin itself looks authentic but, as already mentioned, we can't make out the mintmark enough to be able to determine it's authenticity as an 1889-CC Morgan Dollar.

For your sake, OP, I hope that "CC" is right-as-rain!

-Brian

 

Man, you should have taken the offer whatever it was. Just so you can get such a controversial piece off your hands. CC mintmarks often times are added to Philly minted Morgans to enhance their values. And aside from that, Morgan's are up there in terms of widespread counterfeiting.

 

Guys, the mint mark is just fine. While the pictures are blurry, this Morgan looks to me like a VAM 5. The reason it looks strange is because the VAM 5 has a dropped C in the Mint Mark. The second C is considerably lower than the first one, just like this coin. Other diags match up too, which mostly centers around the date.Looks like a perfect match to me. Clearer pic would be better, but I believe the coin is 100% authentic.


Here is a link to the VAM 5

http://www.vamworld.com/1889-CC+VAM-5

Mike

 

"Looks" can be deceiving. Anyone willing to make a call on authenticity using the provided photos is a quite the gambler to say the least.


caveat emptor

 

Oh, but we have much more to go on than just blurry photos and just as a side note, we can take your position to the n'th degree and say things like you can't tell with it just by having it in your hand, you can't tell just by looking at it with a loupe, the fact is there is always a small degree of doubt, but as the doubt lessens to the point where it is very low, you can make a reasonable call

Now, for the more information than just blurry pictures. The OP took the coin to two dealers, and while we I am not willing to take their opinions as fact, you have to assume that they were at least able determine proper weight, check the ring test, and things like that, that would knock it out of the category of cheap counterfeit. So plus 1 that it is real.

The next piece of info that is known by some of us is a bit about Chinese fakes. The first thing to know, was there was a huge amount of fake worn looking Morgans (many dates) that sufaced and they were all related to one group. This one group of fakes all had one thing in common. They had a very poor 9 that did not resemble the real McCoy. Sometimes it is called the China 9 The inner circle of the China 9 is very round. It is not at all like the inner circle of 9 of the coin in question which is the more proper oval. Plus 2 that the coin is real.

In addition, like I said earlier, this coin matches a VAM 5 perfectly. With most Chinese fakes of a very scarce coin, the Chinese do not have an example of the coin on hand. So what they do is get a common date 1889 to use as the obverse and they get a common date CC and use the reverse of that coin for the reverse. So you wind up with a mismatch of reverse/obverse. The Big Tree Coin company is famous for this. The coin in question is not mismatched. Plus 3 that the coin is real.

So while in the strictest sense this does not prove the coins authenticity, it sure is looking like an authentic coin to me.

Mike

 

The poster is asking for an opinion.
Without 'looking' at the coin one can not produce an opinion.

 

Update: i sold the coin at the National Money show here in Denver for 450$...appreciate the support and advice whether you felt the coin was authenticate or fake

 

yea people were offering 300$ (same offer by 3 people) but ran into a dealer that offered 450$ and took it and now might have founded some ne treasure through my job. again like i said appreciate the advice

 

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?