Toning, How does it happen.

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  1. rickyh211

    rickyh211 Member

    I was wondering about the natural tone. I know about the cleaned causing, but not the natural. So, Do you know?
     
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  3. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Do a forum search, you'll find some threads about it. We don't need another toning feud. LOLOLOL
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh c'mon Thad sure we do :D

    Ricky, in simple terms toning is nothing but oxidation of the metal. It's a chemical reaction between the metal itself, oxygen in the air, and various other chemicals in the air.

    We say that iron and steel rust, but that's a just a common usage word for it oxidizes. The same thing happens with coinage metals, they oxidize. It is a chemical breakdown the metal molecules themselves. And as the metal oxidizes it changes color. And then we have what we call toning. Toning is a common usage word for oxidation that is used when talking about coins. When the very same thing happens to other items made of the same metals our coins are made of we call it tarnish. Rust, toning, tarnish, they are all common usage words for oxidation. But each has a specific application that is only used when talking about a given subject.

    The reason we colors, any colors from gun metal grey to reds, greens, blues etc., is due to the properties of light. For just as you see colors when you shine white light through a prism, you see colors on coins when light is reflected and refracted while passing through oxidation. The oxidation acts as a prism acts.

    That's about all there is to it.
     
  5. CRHnut

    CRHnut New Member

    GDJ, That ↑ was beautiful! Almost like a dictionary and very informative! Thanks for the info!
     
  6. GreatWalrus

    GreatWalrus WHEREZ MAH BUKKIT

    I just looked this up yesterday because I was curious as well. GDJMSP is right on the spot.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thanks for the kind words, but it's really just common knowledge.
     
  8. GreatWalrus

    GreatWalrus WHEREZ MAH BUKKIT

    GDJMSP, are there any biographical threads about you? I'm curious after I read your post the other day that said you don't have any coins? :O I find that unique and interesting
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh Good Lord ! Probably not more than a thousand or so :D

    Short and sweet. I started collecting coins in 1960. Have studied them, read just every book, every magazine, every article on the internet I could find, for basically my entire life. Collected US coins up until 2002, sold the entire collection and started collecting world coinage specializing in world gold with an emphasis on Netherlands ducats, French Royal, and Spanish colonial. Gave that up and sold entire collection in '06 because I finally realized it was the study of coins that I really loved, not the collecting of them. Since then I have continued my study as I always have.
     
  10. rodeoclown

    rodeoclown Dodging Bulls

    Common to collectors and those already familiar but some people don't even know what direction is North, South, East or West, which should be a very basic common knowledge. ;)
     
  11. GreatWalrus

    GreatWalrus WHEREZ MAH BUKKIT

    Interesting. I bet that doesn't happen very often :p Well I'm glad you're still here spreading the knowledge.
     
  12. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    I was sadened to find out that my 1960's Toned Mercury's Dansco has ruined many of my coins. The obverse is so beautiful with bright rainbow toning, but when I went to pry out a couple semi-key dates (PCGS Submission) the reverse was black, or atleast around the ring. I am not sure how this happend, but it has to be because of the old green dansco holders.
     
  13. rodeoclown

    rodeoclown Dodging Bulls

    Where was it stored? How old are the albums?
     
  14. GreatWalrus

    GreatWalrus WHEREZ MAH BUKKIT

    I think that happens because of PVC? So maybe the old cases were made out of PVC.
     
  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

  16. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    No! Black is the final stage of sulfide toning. Read the book Coin Chemistry and you'll learn a lot about toning.

    Doug's explaination was kind of right. It's actually hydrogen sulfide that does the bulk of the work and it's what produces the multitude of colors. Metal surfaces quickly oxidize, in fact, right after being minted. The oxidative layer actually provides a layer of protection to the surface and is virtually invisible.
     
  17. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Yea, I forgot about that post, Physics Fan did an awesome job!
     
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