Coin grading question...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by mkwelbornjr, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    I had some modern silver proof coins that toned slightly on the reeded edge...I then sent them to NGC for grading. Should I have had these conserved to remove the toning...or will the toning stabilize once in the slab?
     
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  3. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I would NOT have conserved them. There is nothing wrong with edge toning, and some collectors even prefer it.

    Yes, the toning should stabilize to a certain extent from being in a slab. However, slabs are not airtight and if stored in a "bad" place will only slow down the toning and not stop it. So don't think because it's in a slab that it is safe -- that is not entirely true.

    To stop a coin from toning you need to (a) limit the humidity, (b) limit the airflow, and (c) limit the temperature fluctuations.
     
  4. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    THanks. Yeah all my slabs are stored in archive safe ziplock bags. BTW has anyone developed a wood case or case for the large NGC style holders?
     
  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I am not aware of such a case, but I do seem to recall a few custom cases for sale at FUN over they years that would likely work.

    Wood would not be my first or second or third choice for coin storage.
     
  6. kaosleeroy108

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  7. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Mine either.
     
  8. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    Well I like the slabs to be in velveted slots so the surface does not get scratched...a scratched slab is a scratched coin.
     
  9. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    There are moderns with milk spots that have even graded "70". It shouldn't affect grade.
     
  10. Fall Guy

    Fall Guy Active Member

    I have seen custom made wood boxes, slotted for slabs and lined with velvet on eBay. It was expensive though at around $75 I think.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Wood and velvet both are terrible ideas. Do not store coins in them.

    If you want to protect your slabs that's pretty easy to do. Just get yourself some slab boxes, each box holds 20 slabbed coins. That is what they are made for. NGC makes them, PCGS makes them. Even Intercept Shield makes them.
     
  12. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    I make wood cases for slabbed coins. all oak with felt lining. have had some for almost ten years. no negative effect on the coins in slabs. I don't see what's in felt to bother them?
     
  13. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    Related to this post as it involves the same coins I am discussing...NGC returned them today...one proof coin had a grease smudge on it that was not on it when I sent it in. Can they remove this/will they correct this? The coins I shipped them were perfect un-touched. Looks like a knuckle bumped the surface.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Woods, oak in particular, puts off gasses that are harmful to coins. This is very well known and documented. Even hundreds of years ago they knew it. Which is why coin cabinets are always made out of mahogany, mahogany is the least damaging wood there is to coins.

    Felt, velvet, basically all materials/cloths, can also cause similar damage due to the chemicals and dies used in making and coloring the material.

    I suspect damage is being done to your coins, you just aren't noticing it because it occurs slowly. And minor changes are very hard to notice with the human eye when you look at something many times over a period of time because the mind tends to recall the most recent image, not the original image.

    Had you put the coins away originally and not looked at them at all, then looked at them 10 years later, you almost certainly would notice the differences.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Possible but doubtful. The most likely scenario is that the smudge, whatever it is, was present on the coin before you sent it in. But you could not see it at that time.

    It's kind of like it is with a fingerprint. When a fingerprint is fresh you can't see it. But given some time, that print becomes readily visible.
     
  16. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    The smudge definitly showed up on the coin after being sent to NGC. I am OCD about these coins haha and I know every detail. These were all mint fresh coins. Also, the fingerprints on the same area on 3 coins...3 coins from different mints and sources that I am the sole owner of.
     
  17. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I've had similar experiences but its very difficult to prove unless you have definitive before and after photographs. There has to be something of the coin that specifically sets it apart from a similar coin and with proofs, this can be quite challenging.I submitted a 1971-S to PCGS a year or so ago for TrueView photography and when the photo was returned, I saw this:

    1971-S DDO FS-106 13651354 Large-Cutout-01.jpg

    I do not "remember" this on the coin when I submitted it and surely, with my incredibly discerning eye, would have remembered this. BUT.........I didn't. The scans I have of the coin showed silimar marks that the TrueView simply highlighted.


    IKE 1971-S Silver DDOFS-10613651354PCGS PR69DCAM Cutout-01.jpg
     
  18. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    Yeah that is a tricky defect. But the coins I sent were large flawless proof kilos...2 Liberian and 1 Cook Island Perth Mint issue. NO marks on any and now they return with crystal clear fingerprints in the upper corner of three. They are the same size and shape print. NGC nicely told me to return and they would correct.
     
  19. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Great!
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    So, am I correct in assuming that you believe that somebody at NGC is responsible for getting the fingerprints on these - is that correct ?
     
  21. mkwelbornjr

    mkwelbornjr Junior Member

    Yes. Its the same fingerprint in the same place on 3 coins...and it is very clear. The surfaces were flawless prior to submission. They can use some type of solvent Im sure.

     
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