This has been posted before, and several months have gone by, but I still have not found a answer to the question if this is an unusual condition or not. Some people say that the 3-5 o rotation is within acceptable limits and is not unusual. However, there has been no feedback if other members have seen this rotation to any amount on their coins. My question is, is this unique for this coin ?
I just bought a PCGS 70 that has a rotated Eagle (CW) on the Reverse Proof. My other eagles do not have this feature. Is yours on the reverse as well? If so, do you have the split letters on the reverse? My other coins have similar letters that are split, but those coins don't have the rotated eagle.
Hi ! PittsburghMom, The Eagle is on the reverse and it is slightly rotated as you can see in the picture. I'm not sure what you mean by the split letters on the reverse. Could you post a picture of your coin ? Thanks Poland Coins1 Dave
Is yours on the reverse proof coin? All of my reverse proofs have letters that look split on numerous words, especially on words like "Dollar", but only my most recent purchase of a PCGS70 also has the rotated eagle that you have shown here... On my coins it doesn't look like mechanical doubling since both images are of the same height, but nor does it look like the collectible doubling which would depict thicker letters. It's hard to explain. At this point, I still don't know what I have other than 1 with a very minor rotated eagle! Here's an example of what I was asking about:
Dave: You can't tell without seeing it in relationship to the obverse. From this picture, the coin could have been put in the holder improperly. Flip it over and show us the other side.
Hey... I just found another thread about this where they're saying that 15 degrees could = a substantial increase in value. I only have 1 like this, leaning CW by a few degrees (although I did see one listed on Ebay that looked to be leaning in the CCW position). Is there a way to measure exactly how many degrees it is on the coin? Here's a link to the other thread: https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t=96304
Hey PittsburghMom, that is the same amount of rotation that my reverse proof has. I think it is only about 5 o, so apparently would not be considered unique per U.S. Mint standards.
Someone else had a rotated eagle from awhile back.. maybe 2006? (You can find their thread using Google.) Anyway, it was just a bit more rotated than ours. They thought theirs was only 15 - 20 degrees rotated, but PCGS ended up rating it a generous 30 degrees. I'd like to know the exact point that needs to be measured from with the protractor. Supposedly a 15 degree rotation is typically worth several times the typical value of the coin, so I don't want to give up yet! They said that the 1 o'clock position is 30 degrees, so ours just needs to lean toward that 12:30 mark to get the label. Also, have you looked at yours with a loop? Do you have the same letter issue?
I have a reverse proof PCGS 70 with this rotation. Before I read this post I GUESSED this rotation was about 10-15 degrees in relation to the obverse. Looks kind of strange in the slab when you compare it to the other coins in this set I though a certain amount was normal but maybe I am wrong. Kind of interesting.
I don't know all of the specifics. The details just came from a coin forum back in 2006 or 2007 where someone had something similar. NGC wouldn't certify it, but PCGS agreed to as long as it was 15 degrees or more. I think ours is probably right on that boarderline and could go either way depending on who does the grading, but for $40 it might be worth trying. They said to specify it as a rotated die though, not to just submit under the "mint error" classification.
Provided the obverse is lined up properly in the holder, take a ruler and extend a line on paper through the center three stars above the reverse eagle. Then measure the angle with a protractor. Thats close enough for an idea.
I think I'm getting @ 15 degrees, but it's hard for me to know for sure. Yes, the obverse is lined up correctly. In the process of checking them again, I noticed that I have one 2011-S that is rotated CCW almost to the same degree amount that the reverse proof goes CW, so you guys may want to recheck the reverses of those as well.
