Grade a '24-S Wheatie I just found in a bag (It's real nice)

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  1. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    Found this in a bag of 5k I'm going through right now, was pretty surprised.

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    Also, think an acetone soak will help with some of the minor reverse issues?
     
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  3. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    Looks like a nice coin. A bit of acetone wouldn't hurt to try IMO.

    ~Cannyn
     
  4. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    You could try soaking it in olive oil for a few days. Use a fine tooth brush to loosen the dirt.
     
  5. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    :eek:

    No thanks. I am thinking acetone or a touch of verdigone (or whatever the current iteration of said treatment is now) on the problem spots on the rev.
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    That is a real nice strike for a 24-S. I would say about AU-55. Try some acetone and maybe a tooth pick to pop off that verdigris. Do not use olive oil unless you want to have a cleaned coin that will not grade.
     
  7. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Erm sorry. I'm a from a metal detecting forum and I'm used to talking about dug coins.Anyway, what you have on the coin is called verdigris, it's an oxidation of copper. Don't want to try anything harsh, as you will lift verdigris completely off. Once verdigris starts, it pits into the base layer of the coin, the pitting is IRREVERSIBLE.Many times people will make a mistake of using some harsh method to remove it. It WILL remove it, but it will leave behind any ugly pitted layer.Olive oil is good for green coins (dug coppers), but it can darken the coin some.Acetone won't work well because it has no penetrative properties. Give the coin a soak for about 3 days in mineral oil. This will loosen the verdigris up. Then I would try using a toothpick to scrape it off.After that soak the coin in acetone for a few minutes, it will strip the oil off the coin.Remember, once verdigris stops, you can't remove it completely or you will expose the pitted layer. You can only remove the excess oxidation, and store it in a low humidity environment to keep it from happening again.
     
  8. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Also, it may not be verdigris. Could be dried paint, dried food, pocket lint, etc. Could be a lot of things. I would try acetone 1st to see if it's paint or some kind of dried liquid. If a good 1 hour soak in acetone don't remove it, then go to mineral oil.

    As far as a grade, I would say Au Details, but the are large nicks in it.
     
  9. Fall Guy

    Fall Guy Active Member

    Weren't you just asking advice on acetone and now you're giving advice a day or two later after you tried it once?
     
  10. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Knowledge is power!
     
  11. Fall Guy

    Fall Guy Active Member

    I think you're missing my point. Your lack of knowledge/experience was the reason for my post.
     
  12. Cazkaboom

    Cazkaboom One for all, all for me.

    While you soak it in olive oil, you might wanna use this rather than a toothbrush. You won't ruin it enough without this tool:
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  13. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Obverse is AU53/55. Reverse is AU50.

    AU53 sounds like a solid grade. :) Nice find!

    -Brian
     
  14. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't the nicks put a big dent in the grade?
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm only seeing a few tiny hits. I'll guess 53 or 55. Great image. Nice find.
     
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  17. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    Thanks guys. Think it's worth submitting? I got some free submissions laying around.

    Detecto, I know you mean well, but you should probably consider laying off the advice, at least in regards to coin conservation, until you've learned more.
     
  18. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    and a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.:yes:


    "A little learning is a dangerous thing;
    drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
    there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
    and drinking largely sobers us again."

    -attributed to Alexander Pope (1688 - 1744).
     
  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    WOW! Fantastic find! These were some of the worst issues in the series and your coin is outstanding! :cool:

    MS-63BN
     
  20. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Veridgris is NOT the oxidation of copper. Verdigris is the reaction product of various anions with copper. Pitting will not occur to a noticable level until the later stages of formation.

    Personally, on this coin, I'd leave the conservation to an expert. You don't want to go soaking it in ANYTHING unless you know exactly what you're doing. This could be a potentially valuable coin considering the grade and the quality of the strike for the issue.
     
  21. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Acetone would be futile. Distilled water would be a better choice and the least evasive.

    The biggest problem is on the reverse, the verdigris in the S is ugly. Personally, assuming it would slab, I wouldn't want that verdigris on my coin in a slab....it would drive me crazy. I would use a sharp implement like a stim-u-dent and a tiny drop of VERDI-CARE to work on that. Apply a very tiny drop on it, let it sit for 5 minutes, then gently work it until it is either gone or improved. You have to VERY careful doing this so you go to just the right level of effort.....I'd error on the conservative side because if you work it too hard it will be obvious.
     
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