A eBay seller we need to shut down!

No, I'm much smarter than to fall for their crap.

It's not the whole shamming buyers thing that irks me, it's the listings they use. They always try to dupe you into clicking on their listings by making interesting titles.

The biggest issue I have with them is all the basement slabbing they did. They graded coins as really high grades like "gem proof", even if they are nicked or scratched.

 

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Made you look, so it works.

No different than getting lured into seeing a crappy movie because of the title and trailer or buying a second-rate book or magazine by it's cover. At least on ebay, it didn't cost you anything to look.

 

Well now, if you are gonna allow yourself to get upset over questionable selling practices on eBay (and elsewhere), I'd say you are in for a tough life.
Just my 2¢

 

I have made a few minor purchases from them and found everything to have been as described with quick handling. I wasn;t aware they were "bad guys". Go figure ?

 

+1

 

We are in a hobby that attracts more dishonesty, con-men and unethical people than most. We decieded to collect coins and currency, the motivation of most crooks. Knowing you are trying to survive among them, means your level of awareness has to be extremely high. They are here because we are here. You will see every trick in the book pulled before your very eyes. There is no way around this because we have decided to place ourselves among them. Intern, you will see many injustices performed and the meek and unkowledgeable fall into all the traps. As a newbie, you will either learn this or eventually leave the hobby. This is true of the industry, regardless of eBay policy.

 

I'm not doubting your a smart guy, not by a long shot. It's all about recognizing all the available opportunities, and shooting for the ones that makes sense. As consumers, subconsciencely we spend a lot of time walking past merchandise and sales pitches without batting an eye. One such example, walking through a crowded mall, at the very least you will be walking past 20 floor kiosks and not think anything of it. But you do get the "phone" guys that try to reel you in with qualifying questions, those guys I ignore and walk past, maybe at the most say "no thanks". Ebay is no different, it's why they coin their website as a "marketplace". As so, treat it as such, in the end you're not going to feel bad walking past the guys selling knock off Coach purses and "as seen on TV" goods and services because it's abundant and they're always out there. You can tell I've been living in California too long...

 

IMHO what the seller is doing is wrong. He or she are in for some really bad Karma, somewhere down the road. But it all goes back to "Buyer Beware". Sure it might be an expensive lesson for a buyer to learn, but it's a priceless lesson they won't forget. People have gone through and read his feedback, looked at his ID history, all kinds of stuff. it's sort of obvious, he's a taking some liberties but this kind of "marketing" is everywhere, and people have to be on guard for it. Ebay has all of these tools and policies so people can make these calls on their own. Another poster mentioned the long winded descriptions designed so people would get bored and just skim them. Yeah I did just that, but I had no intention of bidding. The thing is if buyers are not going to read the description of what they're bidding on then chances are they also didn't follow the first rule of collecting. Buy and READ the book before you buy coin. They might have the book but chances are the only thing they've looked at are the pictures. So essentialy they are getting what they want. Something fun to look at and sort through. It might bring them many hours of joy to just look through.

 

The home shopping tv shows are the same type of thing 24 hrs a day.

 

Just for fun I went back and looked 99.5% positive feed back. I still think his marketing is misleading but with feedback comments like:

"these boxes are fun to see whats inside No problems with transaction 14-Jan-12 10:14"

What can you do. As long as people are happy I don't see why they should be shut down.

 

There's a buyer for every product, shady or misleading advertising aside. And people love it. It must working out for the seller because he's still in business after all this time and has relatively good feedback and a customer base to support it. I'm just hoping the OP is getting the bigger picture by now, because all this back and forth is exhausting for everyone here.

 

Anybody beside me remember the old car salesmen joke, "...this beauty was owned by a little old lady from Pasedena, who only drove it church on Sundays". I can't imagine too many salesmen actually used this line, but it is a metaphor for sales tactics used by those guys. If you bought a vehicle based on the story without actually examining and test driving, who's fault is it if you got taken? Same thing applies here.

 

That's why they have "carfox"

 

The whole point of writing an interesting title on eBay IS to get people to click into your auction. If a seller can't do that then would be more happenstance that he would sell anything. Plus interesting titles make the eBay experience more pleasant for the buyer. You have to admit that 5000 or more titles like "coins for sale" would be a bore to try to go through looking for something you like.

 

Kinda like here when someone posts "Question" or "Please Help" or "Wheat Cent" or "$10,000,000 Double Denomination Penny on Dime"...
I rarely check these out.

 

Sure it can. In fact it can hold an infinite amount of material, just not all at the same time.

Put stuff in clock, take picture, run auction selling the contents of the clock. Put more stuff in clock, take picture, run auction selling contents of the clock. Lather, rinse , repeat.

Problem is there is no legal standards for grading. Everyone uses their own standards and their own opinion. I can pul a beat up coin out of my pocket change and say that by my standards this is a MS-70 coin and I have done nothing wrong. (Heck I can say that it is a MS-80 if I want to and since it is my standards and my opinion, how can you say I am wrong?

 

Oh, wow! I bought a pair of Lincoln rolls from this seller when they were known by Numismatic Bureau. You are right, they did sell bogus OBW. I bought two which, as soon as I touched the crimp on the first roll, it simply self-opened. The coins mostly had spots, but I was only out 12 dollars, so WTH. I didn't buy anything else, lucky for me. Sad if anyone on the board got drilled by them. Next time I run up on a bad seller I will surely post it here to protect all of us. Thanks for the post, BTW.

 

I bought my first car off an old lady who fits your description. I only had the car fr two years because it was kept outside 15 years and the body fell apart. But the engine was great

 

This is just one of many schemes folks are pulling off on ebay.
Although I personally think its wrong to do, it is within ebays rules.
Ebay is constantly taking away sellers rights. So I dont agree with reporting this seller.
Ive witnessed many schemes on ebay over the years... Unsearched bank rolls and lots, fake slabs, artificially toned coins etc.
Check out the folks selling free product coupons. All they need is a laser printer and brochure paper.
Then you have the stealth acct ebayers. Buying stuff from toprated powersellers and claiming the received a brick in the mail! Ebay and paypal refund them and they get your items for free.
Theres always a loophole to exploit. Even on ebay.

 

Are you? The way I see it, you read their auction descriptions and made exactly the assumptions they wanted you to make. You didn't buy the items based on those assumptions, but instead made accusations based on them. Either way, they said X, likely with the intention to get you to assume Y, and you assumed Y.

For example:

When they said: "WHEAT ROLL WITH INDIAN HEAD CENTS SHOWING ON BOTH ENDS (50 Coins Total) -UNSEARCHED"

You probably assumed they're claiming they found the roll with the Indian Head Cents on both sides, and there could be more Indian Head Cents inside the roll, and they haven't searched the roll for other valuable coin. What does "Unsearched" even mean in a legal sense? Maybe they bought a ton of wheat pennies and are just putting them in rolls without looking for valuable coins. Would that be "unsearched"?

I don't see anywhere in the auction where the seller says anything along those lines, but you want the seller BANNED.

In the auction with the grandfather clock, why can't an infinite number of coins come from a grandfather clock? An infinite amount of food can come from my pantry. It doesn't mean that was the food that was in there when I bought the house. In the text of the auction, it says something along the lines of "...this auction includes one of the items found..." Maybe they found 200 rolls of wheat pennies in the clock and they're auctioning off a bunch of crap along with one of those wheat pennies.