Alternate Proof rev. for Wash. Quarter or Type M

Type B quarters have been mentioned in this forum. Type B's [Wiles RDV-002]were first used on 1937 proofs and last used (slightly modified [Wiles RDV-008)) on 1972 S proofs and a very few 1972 D circulation strikes.

When proofs were resumed in 1968, there were early strikings using 3 different circulation artwork varieties [Wiles RDV-004,5,6]. With Proof die polishing, it can be impossible to distinguish between a RDV004 and 5.

Then for most of the year (75%) a new version (RDV-007) proof only artwork was used. I have been calling this type M where M stands for Modified.

Then late in the year the mint reverted to type B, but with the eagle's tailfeathers now having centerlines in relief like the rest of the clads of that time [RDV-008].

I apoligize for not being able to post pix at this time. Perhaps some kind soul can bail me out. The bottom edges of the Eagle's wings are in sharp relief, even more so than a type B. THe second leaf to the left of the arrowpoints is lengthed and often appears doubled. The top arrowpoint has no barb. There are other differences, which I will comment on when we gat a picture.

After 1968, type M was never used for proof work again. But it does show up on a few circulation strikes for 1969 D. Thus 1969 D shows up with the same 5 varieties as 1968 S. The next year it appears on a few 1970 D and 1970 Philadelphia. Fewer class III doubled dies with an M involved show up on both 1970 D and 1970 Philadelphia.

The easiest way to find a specimen is to look at a 1968 S proof or a 1970 D in a mint set or in a 1970 D dealer's stock. Most of these, but not all, are type M's.

 

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You know, old fellow, that this post would be worthy of a "Clinker" if only there were some photos. Thanks for posting......:smile

 

proofartoncircs,

Here is one that I posted earlier this year. I am almost certain it is the
Type "M" Let me know if I am wrong.

Terry

 

I'm with you. But I'd like a lot more info on this?
Wait and watchin I'll be...do da...do da....
Oh da do da day

 

Thanks Terry,

That is indeed a type M and shows up nicely in the enlarged version. The bottom of the wings where they join the body is very sharp. You can pick them by just feeling for that "cliff" with a fingernail.

The very bottom tip of the wings have a line outlining them. This is the first time that technique was used, but it is repeated on all 1973 and 1974 quarters [RDV-009].

 

So I looked at my 68S and my 70D and both have mushy tail feathers, nothing like Stewart/Terry's example. Those would be considered Type A then?

 

<<So I looked at my 68S and my 70D and both have mushy tail feathers, nothing like Stewart/Terry's example. Those would be considered Type A then?>>

Off hand, I don't know how the tailfeathers compare. I normally look at the sharp wings and if it's not a Type B, It is a Type M. I will check the tailfeathers in a few days when I can get back at my specimens.

With these dates, we are now in the clad era and thus no more Type A which was silver only. There is a tendancy to call all clads type C, but there are many minor variations. And then we have the type M which I consider a significant variety.

Your 1968 S sounds interesting. I am wondering if it is a non M non B which is rather scarce.

The 1970 D M occurs on 11.2 % of the 1970 D's in circulation in my experience.
The 1970 D M doubled dies appear on 4.4 %. I find these a bit annoying as they appear to be a weak M of different degrees of weakness.

 

That is a great pic of the Type M. I have not been able to find a comparable pic of the Type C. Does anyone have a side by side comparison of the standard Type C versus Type M for the clad quarters? Thanks! TC

 

Herb, it's time you get a photobucket account so you can post your pictures.

Just go to www.photobucket.com and follow the prompts. Posting pictures then becomes a simply cut and paste since photobucket provided you with the appropriate tags.

I know you can do this.

 

Unfortunately, Lee, I do not have photographs of these. I will try to arrange to get some, but this may take a little time.

 

Herb, (may I call you Herb?) it's time to get a digital camera. There are many inexpensive models out there that are quite user friendly and take decent pics.

 

The picture of the Type "M" above was taken with a
Canon powershot A 580 8 Mega pixel Digital
http://shopping.yahoo.com/62727514-canon-powershot-a580-digital-camera

The other camera I have is a Sony DHC-H50 cost 399.00

Imagine that, the cheaper camera turns out takes better pictures of coins.
All of the shots I have taken over the last year have been taken with the
Canon. The close-ups are taken with a 10x Loupe in front of the lens.
Hope this helps.

Terry

 

Bump! - Sorry, I needed this link on my email. STill a good thread to bump.

 

Joe,

This one is even better:

http://www.cointalk.com/t114141/

TC

 

Bump,
Spending a nice snowy day inside with some coins, and started looking through
the different type reverse quarters thought I would bump this thread for those who
may not have seen it or know about these facinating reverse Washington quarter varieites.

 

The new Cherrypickers' Guide (5th edition vol II) is out and this variety is described by them as type G corresponding to CONECA RDV-007. There are no FS number nor line lsitings for any. But the introductory remarks have a good description of all varieties of quarters thru 1972. There are quite a few but only 3 types originally designed for proofs. What I have been calling a clad B is called by them Type H (CONECA RDV-008). There is a very minor difference when compared to a silver type B. The eagle's tailfeathers have a centerline like other clads of that era.