Could I get a second look at my first MS Franklin?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by JCB1983, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    I am just starting to appreciate Franklins. This is my first slabbed Franklin, and has a grade of MS-64FBL via PCGS. Could I get some feedback on this half? What you like, what you don't like. TYVM. Also if you have a Franklin you would like to share please do.
    ~Jason

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    JCB,

    For what it's worth, you should know that PCGS only requires that the bottom set of bell lines be full, whereas, NGC requires that both sets of bell lines be full.

    If you can, you might want to take a look at the NGC Registry Set of Physics-fan3.14. Besides having a wonderful set, he took the time to describe very thoroughly each and every coin. It may give you some added insight to collecting them.

    Chris
     
  4. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Nothing not to like about this Frankie, except for his mullet.
     
  5. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    lol rockin the mullet back in the 1700's. I appreciate that 9ball, I had no idea. Would you say that this wouldn't quite be FBL according to NGC? TY
     
  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    With my eyesight?

    I can't tell because of the glare, but take a close look at the top bell lines about two-thirds of the way to the right of the crack and also there appears to be some sort of mark a little more than one-third of the way to the left of the crack. I tried enlarging it but it still didn't do me any good.

    What would be better is for you to look at the NGC Registry Sets to see how they attribute them. I don't chase FBL's, FT's, FH's. It's too FOS for me. I'm more concerned with CAM, UCAM, DMPL & PL.

    Chris
     
  7. HULLCOINS

    HULLCOINS Junior Member

    Nice coin. I like it. Is the black spot on the reverse toning? That's the only thing I am not fond of
     
  8. Raoul duke

    Raoul duke Member

    I dunno Gbroke, ol Ben sports that mullet pretty good - lol.


    Nice coin JCB!
     
  9. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Rick Tomaska has a nice book on Franklin Halves (The Complete Guide to Franklin Half Dollars). On page 15 he discusses Full Bell Lines. The FBL designation mostly deals with the bell lines themselves (as you would expect), but it's also a designation given to the overall strike of the coin. Strike characteristics such as the definition of Franklin's hair on the obverse play a part in assigning the FBL designation. ...I find that interesting.
     
  10. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    Thank you very much guys. Time to hit the books. I am going to try to take a look at Rick Tomaska's book. Other than that do you have a link where I can view the NGC registry set? I should have taken a closer look at the coin. (the toning sold me). I ended up paying 120 on this one.
     
  11. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I judge coin books by the amount of pleasure they give me as I pursue this hobby. The Rick Tomaska book is near the top of the list.
     
  12. tonedcoins

    tonedcoins New Member

    Unlike HULLCOINS, the first think I looked at was the toning on the coin. Beautiful! Wish I could see a larger image of the reverse because I see a little "interruption" with the lines to be labeled as FBL. Chris is right about the differences in attributions between NGC and PCGS.


    In order to receive the designation, PCGS requires the coins to exhibit complete, uninterrupted lower lines on the Liberty Bell. NGC has a higher standard for the designation, requiring all six lines (upper and lower sets) to be fully visible.
     
  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Here's a link to Jason's (Physics-fan3.14) NGC Registry Set. I'm not sure if you can access it this way. I've never tried it before, so let me know whether it does or doesn't work.

    http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/registry/coins/SetListing.aspx?PeopleSetID=6638

    Chris
     
  14. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Works for me too Chris........
     
  16. AdamL

    AdamL Well-Known Member

    If you posted a pic without the glare people here might be able to give opinions on whether they think its FBL or not. There are some dates in the series where the added FBL designation can be an added hundreds (Maybe even thousands) of dollars in value.
     
  17. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, I do not think NGC would give the FBL to that coin. The bottom line (of the upper set) is quite weak to the left of the crack, so is the center line. And the top line and the middle line are cut by a contact mark about a 1/3 of the way across (left of the crack).
     
  19. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    take a carefull look at the reverse does the epu look doubled???
     
  20. HULLCOINS

    HULLCOINS Junior Member

    I was referring to the black spot above the wooden bell support. Otherwise I like the toning
     
  21. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    If only one set of the bell lines is full, it would not pass NGC for an FBL on the label. They require both sets of lines to be full, and unbroken or interrupted, including from a scratch or bag mark.
     
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