Poll: Are Midas and the rest heroes for bringing attention to SGS despite violating..

Ebay's rules. I for one say yes. I'd be interested to see how many collectors think Midas should be "Ashamed" for violating ebay's rules despite having HONEST intentions unlike dishonest folk who sell SGS slabs despite knowing that the coin is not a 70.

 

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Z, you read my mind. I was going to start a poll just as soon as I got back from packing the camper.


Great Job
B

 

I'll go ahead and say 'yes'-he and everyone else is doing a great thing and achieving a lot

 

I believe Midas's intentions are worthy, but violation of the rules is still a violation. eBay has created these rules in an attempt to be fair to all participants. A person has an option to participate in eBay's forum according to their rules or not to participate at all.

Midas's heart may be in the right place, but in eBay's venue, his comments violated their rules. It's as simple as that.

We have to follow the rules of this forum (CoinTalk) set forth by Peter and the moderators and I respect that. If I don't play by the rules, they have every right to kick me off of here...

Sorry, Midas, I agree with your intent to bring to light the practices that SGS uses, but not in violating eBay's rules.

 

Well writing and I would agree.

 

I agree with CoinOKC, and would just like to add that the whole SGS affair has been beaten to death on various online forums and elsewhere. Any buyer willing to do five (actually it took me closer to two) minutes of research online would be able to find complaints about SGS overgrading.

 

I feel that Ebay is only interest in its bottom line, and that it refuses to do anything about fraud. Since it won't stop the fraud, we need people like Midas to do it even if it even if it involves breaking the rules that Ebay puts in place to protect those who are scamming people.

Charlie

 

It's one thing to make others aware of dishonest and fraudulent coin dealers and an entirely different matter to behave in exactly the same manner as those that you are vilifying. I think the evidence against SGS/Abon is certainly damning and merits consideration by each individual considering a purchase from their auctions.

What seems strange is that someone would ring the alarm bells alerting others about their suspicious practices and acquire their technique for doing it at the same time. I believe this is the definition of hypocrisy and I would like to see the individuals involved take a crash course in ethics soon but as long as there is money to be made off of gullible investors and collectors I fear the practices will only get worse.

Maybe we ought to start an ongoing thread called "Ebay Sleazebags". You could post anyone selling garbage and the reasons you think they ought to be avoided. I deal enough with eBay to add a couple of names to the list.

 

This subject will not be beaten to death until Abon and the other large-scale alphabet graders are no longer selling on Ebay. Having run roughshod over their own rule structure by implicitly endorsing the activities of these sellers, Ebay has no reasonable expectation that we should continue to observe those rules either.

Regardless of any b******t legal disclaimer language, Ebay has a basic moral fiduciary responsibility to its' customers, to at least act against blatant abuse of buyers' trust. They are not doing so. They are, therefore, an accessory to the process. I wonder if they're considering that angle, because people are getting angry enough to pursue legal action.

 

One of you all should buy the SGSsucks.com address. If you build your web page correctly you could get a higher yahoo/google rating that SGS. Then a search on SGS would turn up that page first.

As I silently slide into the background again on this topic.........

 

Can you elaborate on this please? I'm curious is all.:secret:

I wish I had been into numismatics longer than I have been. I'd know more, and would be more knowledgeable about things such as this.

 

This was an infamous suit filed by Accugrade (Alan and Diane Hager) against the ANA, Heritage(?), and some other very big names in numismatics. According to the suit, the defendants conspired to slander ACG's name and reputation and this resulted in loss of business. The suit also named some participants on another forum. Research Accugrade lawsuit for the whole story.

 

Also some people from this forum---and a few other guys that I know....the money they had to spend was so much I think it would have been just as good to stop buying coins slabbed by ACG......

Speedy

 

Hello,

I can say YES my heros,
Bruce

 

Using the law to perpetrate a fraud is perversion of the law. So Ebay is fundementally wrong. This situation is going to need a law suite to eventually sort it out, with ebay as a codefendent. That will clarify the moral issues. Ebay can not use its 'rules' as protection for knowing helping to perpeuate fraud.

Ruben

 

eBay is a private company and is only bound by the rules it self-imposes. The discussion forum is eBay's and they can choose to enforce some, all or none of its rules, if they so choose.

eBay's discussion forum is no different than if I decide to let people gather on my front lawn and have a discussion forum. If I decide to allow certain people to espouse the virtues of a fraudulent coin-grading service, yet I tell other people to leave who are opposing their views then I'm perfectly within my rights.

As long as you're on my lawn, you'll obey my rules. Who disagrees with that?

 

I do, sort of. You're absolutely correct that it's your yard, and any visitor follows your rules. However, if you are, through your actions, encouraging your guests to steal from your neighbors, you are an accessory to a crime, and abetting a criminal enterprise. Presented with evidence to that fact, which is easy because everything happening in "your yard" is recorded, a law enforcement entity may choose to nudge you back into compliance with the law, in a fashion which would tend to leave you sore about your nether regions.

 

A couple years back I purchased a SGS coin ( I,m kinda of embarrassed to admit it here ) It was an IKE dollar (just someones MS70 pocket change) I paid about $3.00 for it $5.00 with shipping .
I wish I had known then what I know now.but a 5 dollar loss and a good lesson learned was worth it . I know alot of people have a lot harder lesson than I had. So h*ll yeah they are hero's
From all the people you have helped to save I,m sure they will say "THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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