1836 us half

with the pictures provided the coin looks like a good match for O.110 which has no mention of any overstrike, or overdate.

 

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Rick,
You make perfect sense. Could ANACS be saying it wrong?
or
Is it possible that as Example: (say in the yr 1836) the 1828 was stamped over the 1836 to make the coin/token look older? Not sure why one would do so? just a thought. I'm no coin man, I'm a Greenhouse boy
You guys are the experts.
Also, I'm kind of blind to the vocabulary, What does the T stand for in T Professional Grading ? (Token?)
By the way, I am a huge fan of the Three Stooges. My favorite episode is " Dis Order In The Court" New years is around the corner, I hope the Marathon is on!
I am having trouble scanning my ANACS report, also I don't want my account # and fedex Track # to show through. (untill I get the coin back)

 

Oh boy, I am out of league...... 0.110 is ?
I must sound like an idiot.
No blonde hair, I'm just a bald man.

 

I am far from expert. Just throwing some thoughts out there hoping to hear from others more knowledgeable than me.
TPG = Third Party Grader.
Run your report through the scanner to make a copy, black out your personal info and re-scan it to up load here.

Check out the trailer to the Farrelly Brothers take on the Stooges. I think it's gonna be good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4IoUo_ZJkY

 

virtually all bust half dollar reverse and obverse die marriages have been cataloged (United States Early Half Dollar Die Varieties) Al. C. Overton 1828 Overton die pair 110.
I'm far from an expert, but what I was implying was that it is probably a genuine Bust Half with a counterstamp, but the die marriage seems to be from a known die pair(without any overdate, or overstrike) rated at R2 (rarity 500-1000 known)

 

You're not an idiot, just learning. Me, too. Stick with it, it gets better.

 

Moe, Larry and Curly were the best! Shemp came close, although he was a Stooge before Curly. Joe Besser and Joe DeRita sucked!

 

You found this on my birthday

 

ANACs could list a counterstruck coin as a Token , though rare on a 50 cent piece they were used as tokens sort of like advertising . Also doubt if the date is overstruck , might be the counterstamp was made in 1836 and it was struck on the 1828 O-101 coin .

 

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had to edit this, sorry

 

vdbpenny,
Does this mean its your's and I have to give it to you when I get it back? Indian giver
have you been on treasurenet.com? Your indian pic looks familiar

 

Gary,

You might want to edit your receipt so your name and address are not visible for all to see.

I did not realize until now that Hard Times Tokens also included counterstruck coins. Learn something every day.

From the September 2008 Heritage Long Beach Tokens & Medals auction catalog

 

Once a coin is counterstamped it basically becomes a token, at least in the counterstamp "world". In effect it's gone from being just government issued coinage to being an advertiseing, political, or personal piece of some nature. Houck's is a perfect example. As Hobo says, counterstruck coins that can be traced to the Hart Times Era are considered Hard Times Tokens and are listed in Rulau references and others as just that.

Bruce

 

OK, I think we have all learned much. It comes down to the question of Overstrike date or re-punch or what is it?
I will continue to pray it shows up in the container that has all the damaged packages. I have seen a picture of the container and many of the packages were only chared to where Fedex could not read the bar codes.
It should arrive today at the sorting facility and I probably won't get answers untill next week.
I will keep this site updated as I find out. Hopefully I will be able to take a much better picture and we will see the date situation ANACS is referring to.
This token / coin is a great part of Early American History and it needs to continue as such.
Thanks everyone. I will keep checking this site.
Gary G.

 

OK, I think we have all learned much. It comes down to the question of Overstrike date or re-punch or what is it?
I will continue to pray it shows up in the container that has all the damaged packages. I have seen a picture of the container and many of the packages were only chared to where Fedex could not read the bar codes.
It should arrive today at the sorting facility and I probably won't get answers untill next week.
I will keep this site updated as I find out. Hopefully I will be able to take a much better picture and we will see the date situation ANACS is referring to.
This token / coin is a great part of Early American History and it needs to continue as such.
Thanks everyone. I will keep checking this site.
Gary G.

 

water:
Hi, I presume that the magazine that you are submitting to is W & ET?

Or Lost Treasure.
Either way, good luck.

Points: 1) the Houcks is a countermark.
2) As far as ANACS is concerned, there must be a mis-communication.

You said:
"This coin was graded by ANACS:
1836 hard times token AU - 50 with Overstrike date of 1828 over 1836 (I believe it to be a small 1836 date, see the 3 between the 2 and the 8 1n 1828)"

Okay, this is not possible.
simply: You cannot have an overdate of an earlier date over a newer (more recent date).
That has never happened.
[Well, once: a 6 over a 9, but that was actually 6 over an inverted 6. So it doesn't count.]

Good luck, and I hope that you get the coin back.

Frank

 

I think you are misunderstanding what Anacs is stating. It appears that the coin is an 1828 half, but since the Counterstamp was added to the coin in or around 1836 they are referring to it as an 1836 hard times token.

 

Ahhh, good points.
That would make logical sense.
I guess there could be a misunderstanding between ANACS and I.
I am going to give them a call.
I hope to find out in the near future.
TY

 

There has been a miscummunication between ANACS and I somehow. I just got off the phone with ANACS and they did confirm that it is an 1828 coin that was Counterstamped Houck's (1836)
There is no Overstrike.
Oh well, atleast we got to the bottom of it.
Anyways, it is a great token (AU 50 Details) and a great part of history with an incredable story.
Finally some closure on what the coin is. Thank you folks.
I will keep this site posted as I learn the state and condition of the coin.
TY
Gary G.

 

Hopefully they find the coin and he gets it back because FedEx DOES NOT insure coins, either as cash or as collectibles. Best he can expect is a return of the insurance fee if it doesn't show up.