So here is what I think about the forums...v.A rant 5 years in the making.

You may disagree with me or think im a **** for thinking it but if I dont need to specify which is which and you know who I mean is who, then I am right.

ATS West is a edited

ATS South is a edited

Im talking about the general non-specific members not the companies, as I respect both grading companies and what they have done for the hobby(for the most part)

I realize many here are at both and I can say anyone here is pretty much excluded from that opinion. This is the only forum where I really feel is more about the coins than it is about the politics of the industry and social status.

(I will give one example because I am too immature to resist but the dude edited

 

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Glad I don't spend any time at those forums. That is funny!

On a side note,I love your avatar.

 

Thanks. I have the large pics here somewhere. I like your gold too

 

Don't sugar coat it next time. Tell us how you really feel. I spend a lot of time over ATS West. I agree about how some act over there. But wade through all of that and there are plenty of informative posts and a lot of great collectors AND dealers there. Don't spend anytime ATS South, so no opinion.

 

I agree, there is a wealth of info there and a very valuable resource and some great members. But I have noticed that not just for me but other members trying to become particpants is really difficult. Im not the most likable fellah I realize this but it doesnt matter who it is over there, you have to come on board at a master level. And even some key collectors have a tough time with other bigwigs there. Ousted and banned members and such.

 

Sigh...

 

Hey, we disagree on order tracking. Big deal. Let it go.

 

ATS west? South?

CU/Kitco???
Im lost

 

ATS West would be PCGS' CU in California and ATS South would be NGC's CS in Florida.

Personally, I think Clinton and Carter were lousy presidents, but does that make all presidents bad? As a rule, I give little credence to someone who complains using generalizations because they are indefensible.

So, unless you are willing to be more specific to enable us to discuss the matter logically and with civility, I think you have to accept the fact that, no matter which forum you choose, there will always be people who think differently, and you shouldn't put them down just because their views differ from yours.

Chris

 

Actually I was put down because my view was different from theirs. So where does that leave us now within the tenets of your deep thinking forum usage philosophies? And you are over there putting me down now with your little tattle-skirt on.

 

I stated an opinion. I offended no one and I made no accusations nor did I make any personal attacks. Regardless of wether somoene agrees with me, the point has logical validity and was at worst worth a discussion without the personal attacks made towards my intelligence and reading ability and the other down-talking that took place there. It was only then that I replied in kind.

 

On this rare occasion, I agree with Doug.

 

I just like to hang around and watch the fire works in a lot of places.

 

There should be no right or wrong. Only agreements and disagreements.

 

For the record, I want to let everyone know that mumu and I discussed the issue via PM on the NGC forum early this morning, and everything is cool. I think matters would be best served if you let this thread die.

Chris

 

So i was probably in a bad mood when I posted this originally though obviously it means to some extent I feel this way. But I have to add that on PCGS in addition to the annoyances I listed(which are now gone) there really are some great people there too and as far as knowledge goes its unreal.

 

Mumu, I hope you feel better after your rant....Mike

 

I don't know whether or not I should reply since I participate on both forums ATS?

I do agree with Doug's post though.