What do think about this some will love some will hate it

I like it. I think DC is a very talented artist and sculpter, and has done whatever it takes to acquire the equipment so he could mint many beautiful coins, Hard Times Tokens, Fantasy coinsm as well a many other original works of art, gold and silver. Throughout time, there have been years that people wished the US Mint would have made a certain coin, or a certain type, and I think it's great that he has found the niche and minted these Fantasy pieces. My favorite will always be the 1964 Peace dollar, and another recent one would be the 2009 American Silver Eagle proof that the US Mint skipped over and did not mint, for whatever reason. Maybe they were too busy, maybe they didn't have the blanks, but at least somebody thought it was important enough to mint, and is now an important part of many of today's collections that otherwise have been an empty hole.

Everybody is not going to like them, but that's fine too. That's just another reason why it is so great living in the greatest country in the world, and we are free to collect what we want.

Chuck

 

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Congrats dwhiz! I like the Morgan you got from Mr. Carr, you did a nice job photographing it too. DC is very adept and skilled at providing collectors of a certain kind, a product that is tastefully handled and unique in the field of numismatics, in that he maintains design accuracy while protecting the consumer from fraud and maintains a coins spec weight and dimensions by using only original quality examples of these pieces. Counterfeiters rarely ever mint a fake piece to actual spec with such precision. Some may, but then they will also seek to deceive the buyer thereafter, thus a true counterfeit of ill gotten intent. That is not what DC creates. Were he, he'd not be a free person in possession of of such tools.

DC has a strong body of personal coin design work and a growing segment of that now pays homage to some of the United States' most beloved coin designs. Personally, of all of Carr's work, I wouldn't seek one of these Morgan's for my collection because I collect other things. I have other examples of his work, both fantasy and original designs and I appreciate them equally. It's really neat to compare DC's fantasy coins next to unaltered originals to see how tight his work really is. I respect DC and his effort to inform the public, much much more than I respect the hecklers who parade about these forums firing uninformed quips to fill their time and misinform those who fall upon such trite commentary.

And plenty of CT threads on this forum alone attest to this debate, yet DC has yet to convicted of counterfeiting for illegal gain.

They are very nice fantasy pieces indeed.

@cpm9ball

I agree with only one thing you've stated, that Mr. Carr is talented. The rest of your comment fails to carry any weight on either point: one arguing that you "wish he would start directing his talents toward original designs of his own". Well, I guess I get to break it to you, but he does that already. Perhaps you should visit his web site and educate yourself because the majority of his work, is of pieces of his own design, "rather than provide inspiration for counterfeiters".

Now that last half of your comment shows how completely you misunderstand what a 'counterfeiter' is doing with their ill-gotten trade. The fact that the numismatic market is profitable and people are easily deceived and relieved of their money, is more inspiration for counterfeiting than one man with a legitimate coining operation, on the books with one of the biggest Mint's in the world, who has never been convicted of nor attempted to pass his work through deceptive means for illicit gain. In fact he goes out of his way to inform people that these are fantasy pieces, changes the design enough to indicate the design isn't original and discusses his work openly.

The Coin Show, by Matt Mike and Carlton, interviewed Mr. Carr on Episode 14, perhaps you and others should go listen to it (again).

http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html

@ratio411

Good grief! It's narrow-minded xenophobic ill-informed comments like this that serve more to confuse rather than understand counterfeit vs. fantasy coins. If you feel DC's a counterfeiter then why don't you report it to the Secret Service. I doubt you will get very far. DC is open about his operation and his intent, which is not to deceive anyone nor any collector with his creations. Mr. Carr hasn't been convicted of counterfeiting and your statement is flat wrong to call him one by opinion alone. Sadly, your retort only stands to show how uninformed you and your biases are, particularly of a respected coin designer and towards a group of people currently pegged only for counterfeiting activity.

@ BUncirculated:
Explain why you think it's a counterfeit. It's not enough to voice that opinion when overwhelming legal support proves you and the rest of those misinformed agreement with you dead wrong.

@milty456
Too much history in a coin to destroy it? How many Morgans were minted for cryin' out loud!

How many scads upon scads of Morgans do you need to retain a coin's history? How much history is enough history when you can buy them in quantity from bullion value on up to the high end numismatic collectibles we hold so dear. IF Morgan dollars were so darned scarce as to be of a concern as you have suggested their history being at stake, I highly doubt Mr. Carr's expense to acquire examples to create his fantasy versions would be worth taking the time to bring down a 'piece of history' to mere bullion value.

@tonedcoins
"I too would love for Carr to create his own designs and I personally would buy more."
And just like Chris (cpm9ball) you too should visit Mr. Carr's web site to appraise yourself of the vast majority of his work that is of his own design… I'm sure DC will be pleased to process your generous order but you can only buy as much as he has left, because a lot of more informed collectors of Carr's work have quickly snapped up his personal work as it has become available over the years.

 

Just curious, how come we never see a thread about one of Mr. Carr's original designs on CT?

 

Not sure if there has or hasn't been... but I own some of DC's original designs, and let me tell you this: they blow away anything the U.S. mint has ever produced.

 

Perhaps there would be more of such threads if it were not for so much skepticism, close mindedness and the bevy of juvenile heckling that goes on by commentators on the subject. Not that this forum's heckling is limited to this topic either, but CT seriously leaves a lot to be desired at times, especially noting how it has run off quite a few committed collectors who no longer share their collections on this forum.

 

Thanks to everone for your comments...Coin collecting is a hobby you may not like what I collect...that's OK with me.
Just hope that others will be able to take the criticism of their collection as well as I do
Enjoy the the hobby and collect what you enjoy!!!!

 

No one is stopping anyone from posting any of his other medals Krispy. I have never seen any kind of ban on creating a new post showcasing an original work from Mr. Carr. I also do not believe most or all of these comments would never be made about original designs, as many would applaud and appreciate them. I believe most comments to which you are referring are only directed at his medals trying to exactly imitate US historical coin designs.

I have went to his site, but would love to see posts about his personally created medals here. The main problem is most here are coin collectors, nto medal collectors. Even the US mint can barely sell any medals, since most collectors wish it to be a coin.

I regret some past collectors not being a part of this board now as well. Many were experts in their respective fields, and even if you did not agree with them, it was always beneficial to learn how those fields operate.

Chris

Chris

 

I hope sir you would not take any such criticism personally. I am sure that was not the intent of even those who expressed strong opinions on some pieces. To me such criticism was more directed at Mr. Carr, but you are good natured about it, and truly hope you continue to share your collection here.

Chris

 

No problem Chris I cann't wait till I buy something else from DC and post it I do enjoy the uproar

 

The altering, or replicated production of genuine articles to gain monetarily.

 

I have voiced my opinion on this cheap counterfeiter on many other threads on this, and other forums.

Legal support? From what legal entity?

Daniel Carr is a counterfeiter, no more, no less. He is no different than cheap Chinese counterfeiters.

My opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

End of discussion!

 

So if you've voiced it before so often why are you still discussing what is closed to discussion in your mind. You have proved in so many words you lack an understanding of what DC does and what a counterfeit actually is and seeks to do. A cheap counterfeit as you put it is a statement at odds with itself. Counterfeits seek to profit by taking advantage of the superior value of an imitated product. There is no deception and if you study closely what this operation costs DC to produce you will find his costs are not so high for the expense to create these limited runs of fantasy coins. Open your mind to the differences between DC and what a counterfeit seeks to do via deception and ask your self if DC is a counterfeiter how come his works are not being seized by authorities and the man facing criminal prosecution or jail time... Your argument on counterfeits made in America would be more suitable for Liberty dollars which have faced such legal scrutiny.

 

Like I said... you don't know the meaning of the word. You left out the most important element... "with intent to defraud". Nothing DC produces or sells is counterfeit... none are reproductions of genuine articles (but merely fantasy pieces), and he's defrauding no one.

 

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

 

This along with the fantasy pieces the Chinese produce are the both the same. Each to a knowledgeable collector knows that they are fantasy/fake though its the persons that don't know any better that it will fool and hurt. I agree that there is no difference between Daniel Carr and the Big Tree mint. The uninformed will be the ones that get taken advantage of.

 

But if they're that uneducated then any coin could be used to take advantage of them. What I mean is, if you could con a person into buying one of Carr's overstrike coins as a real valuable coin, you could just as easily con them with a harshly cleaned/polished '81-S.

The problem in your scenario wouldn't be Carr's coins, it would be the person out there taking advantage of people.

 

Totally true in which it is one of the reasons these leave a bad taste in my mouth, it makes it way to easy for this to occur! and occur it will.

 

Which is exactly what is being done by many so-called legimate businesses... TV shows like "Coin Vault", private enterprises such as "National Collector's Mint" and the "Franklin Mint", even fly-by-night entrepreneurs who colorize and add hologram stickers to common coins then hawk them in the Sunday supplement.. these are the guys taking advantage of the uninformed, not Daniel Carr.

 

Krispy,

It is obvious that you are strongly biased. That's fine! You're entitled to your opinion, but don't presume to think that you know everything and that those of us who have expressed opposing opinions are uninformed.

You are so blinded that the mere mention of the word "counterfeiter" in any statement associated with Mr. Carr gives you cause to start slinging mud. You assume that I don't know what a counterfeiter does, but there is a big difference between what a counterfeiter does and that which may provide inspiration for a counterfeiter.

You've also made the incorrect assumption that I have never viewed Mr. Carr's work. You are overreacting just because my opinion differs from yours. I have viewed his work, and I do have his site saved in my Favorites. There are some pieces that I like and some that I don't like. I don't care if you agree with my opinion or not, but I don't care for his "copies". Does it take skill to make these? Yes! Does it take imagination? No!

So, please, before you start presuming to know what others do and don't know, have a little respect for their opinions.

Chris

 

I'm far from over reacting Chris. I'm taking a strong stance against the ignorance on parade in this thread, for which you happen to be an agent of in this instance. There's no slinging mud except from your camp. As usual your casual comments have you on the defense again in yet another thread. If you wish to deflect such critique of your initial posts, then put more thought into them the first place. As it were you came off sounding rather brash and woefully uninformed. In your own words, "wish he would start directing his talents toward original designs of his own". If you were so aware of his other work then why ever use that poor choice of words to begin with. One would think a collector such as yourself, particularly with a fair number of Morgans and various medals you've shared in this forum, would be more on point when it comes to Mr. Carr's work and furthermore at your advanced years in the hobby, be able to discern his operation from that of deceptive counterfeiters work. As I stated it's not DC who is inspiration for counterfeiters but rather the fact that the numismatic market is profitable, that people can easily be deceived, and in turn relieved of their money. That is what is inspirational for counterfeiters-- to profit from unsuspecting consumers by way of deception. To underscore this, if you feel Carr is a counterfeiter, then go report it the Secret Service and we'll see what the response happens to be. Had authorities cause for enough concern, they could easily shut him down, yet he is open for business. If you have an instance of Carr's work having been used for or even attempted to be passed off as another authentic piece, then speak up. There have been no convictions of Carr as a counterfeiter, but there have been a number of uninformed, misguided and crude accusations in the form of "opinions" that declare the thing fact and even that this is 'closed for discussion'.

Respect is hard earned. If you want mine, get to work.