Various Small European States and Territories

Hi All,

I just posted on my Albums page some pics of various small European states and territories.

Please take a look!

Thx,
Joe

http://www.cointalk.com/members/jlblonde/albums/small-european-states-territories/

 

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nice rose farthing, but st helena isn't a european state or territory, it is in the southern atlantic aroung 1000 miles from the coast of south africa..............

 

Yeah, weird huh?

But for certain reasons both St. Helena and The Falklands are considered part of the European political map. Like Greenland and St. Pierre. At least when I took political geography and cartography in college it was. May have changed now.

 

both the falklands and st helena are british crown dependecies, but they are both autonomous states in their own right. incidentally the first st helena coin was a halfpenny issued in 1813, they never issued any more until the 1980's..........the coins and notes are available from the st helena post office for face value and are all extremely collectable.

 

I always wanted to get my hands on a 1813 issue, but my pockets aren't deep enough.

 

Weeelll ... neither Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon or Greenland are European territories, for example. So the topic title may be a little misleading, but on the image pages you explain what you had in mind. Nice collection of coins!

Christian

 

This is the kind of thing I love in coins - the obscure places. I love these and I wish I could get my own. I've wanted a Greenland polar bear coin for awhile but keep getting outbid.

 

CIA Facts:

Falkland Islands - The Falkland Islands are a British OCT situated in the South Atlantic. The UK remains responsible for foreign affairs, defence, internal security, the public service and the offshore financial sector. In other areas, executive power is exercised at island level. The constitution of the Falkland Islands was established October 3, 1985 and amended in 1997, and the islanders were granted full British citizenship from 1 January 1983. The isolation of the Falkland Islands and the fact that they are not located in an ACP region complicate regional integration and cooperation. Moreover, the tense relations between the UK and Argentina over the Falkland Islands also limit the possibilities of further regional integration and cooperation.
Under the 10th EDF Falklands islands will receive 4.6 million euros.

The EU constitution will not harm Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands, the European Commission says.
"The constitution, which clarifies and includes parts of the various existing EU treaties, mentions the same list of overseas territories as before, and in the same terms," he said.


Saint-Pierre et Miquelon -
Common Name: Saint Pierre And Miquelon Local Official Name: Saint-Pierre et Miquelon
Abbreviated Name: Territorial Collectivity of Saint Pierre and Official Name: Departement de Saint-Pierre et Miquelon
Official Script Name: Saint Pierre and Miquelon Local Common Name: Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Former Name: Saint Pierre and Miquelon Territory of: France

States such as France have a number of overseas territories, retained from their former empires. Some of these territories such as French Guiana are part of the EU (see outermost regions, above) while others are related to the EU or outside it; such as the Falkland Islands.

Greenland -
Country name: Greenland
local short form: Kalaallit Nunaat

Dependency status:
part of the Kingdom of Denmark; self-governing overseas administrative division of Denmark since 1979.
Government type:
parliamentary democracy within a constitutional monarchy.

Independence:
none (extensive self-rule as part of the Kingdom of Denmark; foreign affairs is the responsibility of Denmark, but Greenland actively participates in international agreements relating to Greenland)

Legal system:
the laws of Denmark, where applicable, apply

As of 2010 no member state has withdrawn from the EU. However Greenland, as a territory, did so when gaining home rule from a member state (Denmark).

It's all confusing. This is why the EU doesn't work. They can't agree on jack. And now...Scotland wants it's independence too.

Sheesh! :rollling:

 

I've got a couple extras. PM me. =)

 

Discussing "why the EU doesn't work" will not make much sense here but those CIA facts seem to be outdated. The "EU constitution" was voted against in two member states ... six years ago. We now have modified EU Treaties instead. Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon is not a département but a so-called collectivité d'outre-mer (COM). And Greenland left the EC a couple of years before the EU was founded.

But the point of my previous post was simply that most people would use labels such as "European" when referring to countries/states/territories in Europe. If for you or anybody else areas elsewhere in the world count as European not because of their position on a map but because of the political relations they had or have with Europe ... fine with me. The primary point, when it comes to collecting coins, is that we enjoy what we do.

Christian

 

You right. Those facts are outdated.

North America may now have a forth country, Greenland.

For the purposes of cataloging my collection I placed these areas under Small European States and Territories. It made sense to me because having a 1" binder for the Falklands and Saint Helena under Atlantic countries and areas seemed a waste of space. I simply drew upon my old schooling from 20 years ago.

I have seen some collections place Hawaii and US/Philippines in the Pacific Island nations while others have it in American collections.

But in the end I suppose your are right. Political leanings and personal feelings aside, those countries and or territories should be placed in their respective geographical areas.

Example: When the Soviet Union was dismantled, new countries such as Turkmenistan were cataloged under Russian Commonwealth of Nations in some books. Now they fall under their own, Central Asian Nations.

 

For a while my collection of German coins (I am from DE) included a few pieces from the colonies of the Empire as well, such as German East Africa or Kiautschou (Jiaozhou) ... and I had the same "problem". Yes, those coins were in my Germany collection, not in an Africa or Asia binder. I find the topic title a little confusing, but now know how you meant it.

Greenland may indeed become a fully independent country one day - and then it would make sense to have coins from "Danish Greenland" in the same place as newly issued ones. Provided they will issue any. As for your collection, it all depends on what you collect, and how. And if you show us some nice pieces from your collection, as you did here, even better!

Christian

 

Yes, it would be nice to have a fourth NA country, I always thought it was going to be Quebec, (still might be).

I like Greenland a lot, especially regarding what we were taught about her in school. In school I was taught that it was a joke that greenland was named that, since its almost all ice covered. Then I learned Greenland used to be green, and a major exporter of meat to Europe, then around 1500 got covered up with ice. Kind of puts a different spin when global warming activists try to point to grass growing again in greenland as "proof" of their global warming theories.

 

I thought Greenland and Iceland were named opposite in order to confuse people wanting to go there and bother the old Norse settlers. =)
And the settlements on Greenland pretty much vanished due to what is now called the "Little Ice Age", which is also responsible for the superior hardwoods used to make the Stradivarius violins.

 

I was taught that too sir, but with my own reading I found out Greenland was called that because of the grass as far as the eye could see when they founded it around 1000 AD. The little ice age was most severe, but it started a little earlier there, and the cattle left around 1500. My main point was this country WAS green for centuries, so how can it becoming green again today be definitive proof of global warming? Did we cause it to ice over in 1500 as well?

 

No we certainly didn't. check out this temperature graph: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

 

Everyone organizes their collection a bit differently, I'll bet. I personally would put areas like the Falklands with South America, but that's just my system. As I get more coins, I keep subdividing further. First I just had an Africa section, but soon I had enough South Africa to split off. Then I had several Kenya and several British East Africa, and I figured they were the same place, so I put them together. The ones I have the most trouble organizing are countries like Armenia and Georgia. It doesn't feel right to put them in Asia, but Europe doesn't fit either. I have enough Russian coins to stand by themselves so I don't want to lump them in there. I put all the Muslim countries together except those in southeast Asia, but you could make a lot of arguments to organize that differently. Then in Asia, I basically have one set for mainland and northern Asia and another for southern Asian islands like Indonesia. I also have a South Pacific page. There's no really clear dividing lines.

 

You hit on two countries that can be hard. To me Georgia and Armenia depend on era. I have my ancient ones associated with either Greek coins for ancient, and Byzantine with medieval. For modern coins I associate both with Russia, since that was the major power in the region, and both countries were later incorporated in it.

Not saying its right or not, but I usually try to associate small countries with the larger ones that were dominant in the area in that era. There is no "right" way, like you said.

Chris

 

http://www.cointalk.com/t83914/
This older CT thread depicts some of my polar bears. I still need the Greenland 25 Ore with the hole in uncirculated condition. Every once in a while I add a nice Greenland mining token to my collection.

 

Very nice, Collect89.