stuck on Morgan dollar grade help please

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  1. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    Could anyone help please with a grde im leaning toward au58 or ms60 i cant figure it.
     

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  3. cpm9ball

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    For an 94-O, it has a nice strike. I'm thinking more like MS64.

    Chris
     
  4. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    My best guess is AU58, but I can see why you were thinking about something slightly higher.
     
  5. cpm9ball

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    Granted, I had to turn my head sideways, but why do you believe it's 58, Mark?
     
  6. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    this is a 94 o. not sure if you typoed or saw the coin wrong but yes even for a 94-o itisnt horribly struck like most ive had-----do you see wear at all? because it justlooks like it was poorly stored to me or circulated...very dirty in hand. thanks for you response
     
  7. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    yes and sorry bout the sideways pics..taken on my phone lol
     
  8. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Chris, when I looked at an enlarged version of the image, the face and lower neck of Ms. Liberty looked too flat for unc.

    That said, the possibility of a higher grade did go through my mind. It would be easier to tell if we could examine the fields, in person, for signs of circulation, as well.
     
  9. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    also for the date luster is strong
     
  10. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    thanks for your reply toomark ..i liked the ms64 answer better consideing the $$ but i appreciate the reply- au58 to ms coins are my week areain grading sometimes.
     
  11. silversurfer22

    silversurfer22 New Member

    My guess is Au-58. The wear on the cheeks seem a just a bit too worn in for MS 60+. In an MS-64 grade, you should be able to see the creases in the cornstalk leaves, which I can't really tell if its there given the pics.

    The rule of thumb I use to distinguish MS from AU (in most cases) is examining the high points. If its just a mark with no material removed, then lean towards MS. If, however, the mark is more than a slight dent or scratch, then it's more likely AU.
     
  12. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    thanks these tips can save me money i am moore of a cherrypicker ...pawnshop..gold buyers so i need this skill [QUOTE=silversurfer22;1288870]My guess is Au-58. The wear on the cheeks seem a just a bit too worn in for MS 60+. In an MS-64 grade, you should be able to see the creases in the cornstalk leaves, which I can't really tell if its there given the pics.

    The rule of thumb I use to distinguish MS from AU (in most cases) is examining the high points. If its just a mark with no material removed, then lean towards MS. If, however, the mark is more than a slight dent or scratch, then it's more likely AU.[/QUOTE]
     
  13. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Makecents,

    One thing to remember is that, although the difference between the numbers 58 and 60 is only two, the difference between an AU-58 coin and an MS-60 coin is HUGE.

    An AU-58 coin may at first glance look like an MS-64 or MS-65 coin. It should have (to paraphrase and quote from the 'Official ANA Grading Standards' 6th Edition) superb eye appeal with nearly full luster and no detracting contact marks. The only thing that keeps this coin from grading higher is the "barest trace of wear". Think of an AU-58 coin as the highest grade for a coin that has been lightly circulated.

    On the other hand, an MS-60 coin will have terrible eye appeal. It will be a butt-ugly coin. The MS-60 coin will probably have little to no luster and will have "many large detracting contact marks." An MS-60 coin may look like it has been run over by several cars in a parking lot due to all the contact marks. But it will have absolutely no trace of circulation wear. Think of an MS-60 coin as the lowest grade for a coin that has not been circulated.
     
  14. cpm9ball

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    My eyesight must be getting worse because I don't see any traces of wear on her face. Maybe that's why I don't buy coins on eBay too often.

    Chris
     
  15. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    me too cpm i cant target a spot of wear
     
  16. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    1894 O Morgan

    I personnaly belive what Hobo told you is very true. As the pictures seem to imply I think this coin is a MS63-MS64, On the Obverse I do not see any wear on the cotton balls or cap, all areas of the primary surfaces meeting the secondary areas do not show any wear. Hairlines look as expected for an O mint.
    The Reverse appears for the most part with only bag marks. The Eagle Breast is one of the most tell tale signs expecially on O mints. This coin has better than average strike and iMHO makes identifing this coin with these MS Attributes easier.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I too would have to go along with the AU grade.
     
  18. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    Hobe, what is your opinion on this coin are you leaning towards au?
     
  19. MAKECENTS

    MAKECENTS Active Member

    thanks for your reply!
     
  20. Coinsnake

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  21. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Yes, primarily due to broken luster.
     
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