A bust half mystery? Newest addition

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by bqcoins, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I was at the big coin show of the year (at least in this area) and had made some great purchases, got some nice barber dimes for my album and a few Canadian silver 5 cent pieces for not too much. I was at my last table of the show just doing a once over and saw this piece in one of the red boxes. I knew at first glance that since I only had one other 1817 CBH and I knew exactly which Overton it was, that this one could be a great addition to my collection. The dealer called it a clashed die from the shield, but that doesn't match up from obverse to reverse and it looks like more of a struck through or defective planchet error to me. I believe the coin to be an O-107 even though the die lines are not really there over the cap. I've taken closeups of the anomalies on the obverse and the reverse for your consideration. let me know your thoughts.
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  3. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    First off it looks like damage. The milling looks to have been tooled just below the lines. Checking overton now.
     
  4. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    Interesting CBH! Looks like O.107 to me too.

    It's obviously not clashing. My guess would be struck-through an object (what?) on the bust. The shield looks like PMD. At eagle's (viewer's) right wing, not sure.
    Lance.
     
  5. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    The more I look at it does look like it was struck through.(maybe cloth) It looks like the lines go up onto the fields(only fainter) and onto the reeding. 107 is what I come up with also.
     
  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    It is certainly interesting. Not really sure what it is myself.
     
  7. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    Well, I am glad you guys come up with the same Overton as I do. Personally, I am leaning towards struck through cloth. If you can see it on there the faint lines continue up in the field almost to stars 6 and 7. You also can't see that the design under the lines on the bust is not completely obliterated but just mostly subdued
     
  8. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Were they still adjusting the planchets then sure looks like file marks to me?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Would be pretty tough for it to be file marks and not have them take out the top edge of the bust. Look at it, they stop just short of the top edge of the bust.

    I think I gotta go with damage, but got no idea what could have caused it.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't think it is damage, I think it was in the planchet when it was struck. (Because they are crushed but still faintly visible in the fields.) It doesn't look like adjustment marks though. I don't know what would have caused such marks in the planchet though other than adjustment marks or something getting rolled into the strip. Maybe the vice jaws used to grab the strip for pulling it through the drawbench?
     
  11. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    I think we may have a winner here. Probably why I thought it looked like damage at first (like the teeth on a vise or pair of pliers)
     
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