What would you say this 1916D Dime grades?

Well, I still think the reverse is g4, must be something with the obverse. I'd send it to pcgs, as their own photograde shows the reverse a g4.

 

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That is why I suggested gambling $50 bux.
They could even see it as a 04 and give it a key bump to 06... Never know.

Seriously though, it would be a gamble....

 

Right. But isn't it a factor of both the obverse and reverse in determining the grade?

 

Another TPG Injustice!!

I would plead that the only objective material to be used for universal grading is the original illustrated OFFICIAL A.N.A. GRADING STANDARDS FOR UNITED STATES COINS, Copyright 1977.

I realize that generally the collector today disregards the A.N.A. written grading standard, relying on "photograde" images which are often in conflict with the written standard, as for G-4 Mercury dime, thus:
Obverse: Entire design well worn with very little detail remaining. Legend and date are weak but visible. Rim is visible.
Reverse: Fasces is worn nearly flat but is completely outlined. Sticks and bands are worn smooth.

ONLY ONE LETTER NEED BE "FULL" ON THE OBVERSE, AND ALL LETTERS WORN WITHOUT ANY VISIBLE RIM ON REVERSE WILL MEET THIS STANDARD.

I believe someone got the "shaft" on the NGC grading, and because of that I would be willing to pay for you to send the coin (removed from the slab) to PCGS for a "re-grade". That type coin is one of my specialties that I've collected in large quantities for an extended period of time. Regardless of the scratches which are common for that grade the detail equals many G4 "top tier" TPG coins I've seen, and is believed equivalent on the average to the Obverse on this PCGS G6 certified Mercury dime without a complete date: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-MERCURY-HEAD-DIME-KEY-DATE-PCGS-G6-G-6-TOUGH-/330560066157?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4cf6ea526d
or the reverse on this PCGS G6 Merury dime:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-p-Mercury-Silver-dime-PCGS-G06-slab-/320590274517?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aa4ab5fd5
or the reverse on this PCGS G6 Merury dime:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-p-Mercury-Silver-dime-PCGS-G06-slab-/320590274819?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aa4ab6103

Shame on NGC, who I believe really erred on this grading.

If you are interested in my proposal/offer, send me a P.M., and I will elaborate on details.

RICH :thumb:

 

I am like some previous posters and have seen some key dates that were obviously bumped.
I recall seeing some 16-Ds that were graded higher than much nicer common dates.

That said, I think the practice is wrong, but if it's your coin getting bumped, might as well take it.

 

It's not whether I like it or not, it just seems a bit unfair to the rest of the coins and collectors, and the grading standard in general...

However, if it grades higher and sells, I can't argue with that.

 

I think that the reverse is where most of the posters on this thread would give it the 3 grade, statequarters. The rims are worn into the lettering. This is usually a direct route to an AG-3 grade, but many times we see the 16-D getting the bump to G-4 due to the date.

I think many times we want the coin to get a higher grade so much that we kinda bump it up ourselves. Do not fall into this trap.

That said, if you like the coin, who cares what the TPG said.

 

Spoken like a true gentleman......

 

This is an NGC 03...
It is in worse shape.
The rim is worn right into the date and the reverse letters are half gone.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-Mercury-dime-NGC-ag-3-KEY-/290617456225?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item43aa267661

Another NGC 03 that is well below the OP's coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-MERC...48?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item1c1dda3b90

Another:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Key-Da...13?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item1e6796f0f5

PCGS G06:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-MERC...05?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item45fdb70b1d

Closer to the OP's coin.

A G04 PCGS, a bit worse than the OPs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1916-D-10c-...09?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item2a14dba9d1

 

Sorry but I see nothing equivalent between the links and the op coin. Put the images side by side and I'm sure you will agree. NGC got the op coin right and it's in line with ANA standards. It did not get the bump above ANA we often see with rare coins. Sure it might get a 4 if sent back in to PCGS and maybe NGC but it's a wash. A high end 3 and a low end 4 are about the same money at auction.

In my opinion we see the bump in grade with some rare coins because the TPG,s want the coin in their holder. But to be fair it's not much. Maybe half a point. If it's maxed out there is little chance of a change in holder.

 

I've been watching every ag3, g4, g6 & vg8 on eBay for the last month and that coin would be one of the better g4's I've seen (unless there's something that's not showing in the pics).

 

that doesn't mean that the coins you have seen on eBay aren't over-graded

 

That could be, but only looking at pcgs, ngc & anacs.

 

I saw a raw one of these (raw) at a shop near me and they wanted over 600 for it and the op's better based on the photos..

 

although many times to a lesser degree, even these "Big 3" TPGs over-grade coins. It usully takes a few crack-outs, but eventually, they all end up in over-graded holders if people are diligent enough about cracking them out.

Thus we now have the CAC green bean...

 

I think it would grade g-4 or better with one submission to PCGS with 90% certainty, so I'd take that chance. No way it comes back as less than a 3, more likely a 6 or 8 than a 2.

Great coin for $400.

 

No offense guys, but for $400 I could have had an MS68 common date in one of the recent Heritage auctions. You can keep your "key date" quasi-cull and bicker between the AG03 and G04 grades... I guess that's the difference between a type-set collector for quality, and a key-date type set collector (or series collector).

One observation I will make on this thread and the commentary though: people are still brainwashed into believing there is something magical about PCGS and that NGC is wrought with overgrading. However, when the grade was revealed the song and dance changed -- Now NGC had possibly under-graded the coin and it should be sent to PCGS. Come on guys, really? The slab means that someone who knows a decent amount about coins thought the grade was correct, and likely another verifier and a finalizer were okay with that grade. In effect, the grade is still a subjective agreement of the graders at a particular company on a particular day.

To the OP, I think you got a decent looking key-date coin for a reasonable price. I would leave it in the NGC holder and enjoy it as part of your collection. If you intend to sell it for some reason, and want to take a gamble, you could try getting it upgraded to a G04 and making possibly $50-$100 on the sale (after accounting for all the grief of resubmitting it).

Just my 2cents.

 

Good comment A+++ will read again.

 

Thanks for the comments, guys! I love the Coin and am 100% proud of it. And I'm leaving it in it's AG3 Holder.

P.S. You don't think it's damaged or scratched, do y'all? Is it likely it would get a details or genuine holder?