Chinese Counterfeiter Producing High Quality Fakes

Ok, now I don't believe you either.

Copying and pasting a page from eBay does make the pictures go away, but it does NOT paste the item numbers from the main search page. Item numbers is exactly what you need to report a listing. You would still need to individually go into each listing and copy and paste the item number. 400 listings in 30 minutes would be 1 listing per 4.5 seconds.
Also, you cannot report 100 listings at a time. The current method only allows ONE listing per report, and is reported directly from the item page. There is another way to report it, which is little known, but even that method only allows 10 item numbers per report.
Between loading each page, loading the report screen, selecting the reason for report (which is selected on three tiers) and submitting, it would take much more time. Even if you have a super fast internet connection, eBay comes with its own pretty standard lag on the reporting pages.

We obviously get your point, but if you are going to use an extreme scenario as an example, make it clear that it's just an example.
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at this rate im going to give up coin colleting and go back to work on being a dancer..

 

As stated in my first post, I mark/stamp them with copy and then throw them in the trash.

 

I heard back from the seller. He says that they are 90% silver.

 

Look guys, no matter what 19Lyds says, no matter what you personally want to believe, the Chinese ARE in FACT using 90% silver planchets (which I have had verified), they ARE using laser cut dies, they ARE striking their coins with real presses (using collars), they ARE toning and doctoring... and they ARE fooling dealers and even some TPG's.
In the words of master forger Mark Hofmann: "If I can produce something so correctly, so perfect that the experts declare it to be genuine, then for all practical purposes, it IS genuine."

 

Just playing devils advocate here but what do you call someone who deliberately orders merchandise knowing full well he does not intend to pay for it or return it? To me such a person is a thief. Even if he is ordering from someone making unmarked copies. As much as I hate to say it, the manufacturer in China is not doing anything illegal and he is making what is there a legal product. AS I see it there is possibly mail fraud being committed, and definitely illegal importation of unmarked copies of coins being committed by the person here in the US ordering them. So the only person committing a crime is the US buyer.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Find me any counterfeit sellers who actually use 90% silver.
Well see how long they last lol

 

What do you call the person who's making genuine US coins in china selling them to America so they can defraud buyers and investors alike? Is he not a thief???
China has no laws regarding copyrights, however US law and international law are above china's laws.
Meaning counterfeiters of all types are routinely arrested in china by international authorities.
In addition avoiding import tax duties, is another offense
Plus making Counterfeit US currency by any form is an attemptto defraud and destroy america's dollar

What I'm doing isn't perfect, but since we have replica buyers on this forum, someone has to be doing something to put them out of business.
Also me importing them is no felony since I dispose/mark them properly.
In addition no one will pursue me for "fraud" when it's occurring to a counterfeiter.

Buck up and join the fun. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You can't miss.

 

After reading the posts that say this person deliberately orders large amounts coins (counterfeit or not), then receives them and stamps them copies and tosses them away, AND deliberately calls his card provider to cancel the charges (which is usually reserved when you did NOT authorize the purchase) and sometimes sends communications to other people's parents is guilty of several things: fraud (you are committing fraud on a business), harassment of people, theft (you have effectively stolen the items) and lying to your card company (which is also fraudulently using your card). If what you say is true, you are one of the reasons that people who use cards are being charged more for the services, and that businesses have to eat up 1 or more percent of their legitimate income as losses like this. Not only that, but you are contributing to the proliferation of this business because instead of NOT purchasing you are buying, and giving these people every reason to think there is a larger market. The true way to get this business out of business would be to have the government, eBay, the post office, and other entities actively seeking out to not have these up for sale, not allowing it, and prohibiting (seizing goods as they are in the mail stream) them from getting from their source to the buyer. Also for others to provide a knowledge base to people so they do not want to purchase these. Most people I think purchase them either because they think they are real (greed on their part) or they eventually are thinking they can dupe someone else when prices rise. If there was more education out there that the end result for buyers is that they have simply lost their money, it would probably cut down on this market.

But, I do agree...what you are telling us is that you are committing fraud, and are a thief. I hope that I don't have to deal with you in person with coins, because someone who would do this would also mess over a customer IMO.

 

What's this got to do with exonerating your actions?

Again, what's this got to do with anything? You are looking for excuses to justify your actions.

So not only are you a thief, but you are wanting others to join you and become thieves. NO THANKS!

 

Which goes to show you how much you DON'T know. And since what they are doing is NOT illegal, they will be around a long time whether you, or anyone else, likes it or not.

 

No, as I said he is making a perfectly legal product THERE.

US law does not apply in China, international law wh knows. Exactly what is the international law on copying another countries coins for a purpose other than using them in commerce?

There are no tax duties on coins imported into the US.

What you do with them afterward is immaterial, the importation is what is illegal and that has already been committed before you destroy what is not your property. I will admit that the offense of importing them is not a felony, but then I never said it was.

Whether you are pursued for it or not does not change the fact that it is still a crime. If I steal from you but the DA doesn't feel it is worth his time to come after me because he has bigger fish to fry, that doesn't make my theft OK.

No, I have higher ethical standards than that. I won't stoop to committing crimes just because I know I can get away with it.

 

If he had received them marked as required by law, I would be 100% on you side. However, receiving merchandise that you are not permitted to have received through the mail definitely qualifies as merchandize that I have every right not to pay for. And my guess is that returning the "coins", you would be violating the US laws. So ................

 

Correct, but he did not by it THERE. He bought it HERE. It is just like cars (or any other imported goods), in order to enter this country, it has to meet our laws. China can make all the cars they want with zero pollution controls on it, sell them over there until it freezes over, but they cannot sell it in our country until it meets our pollution standards.

 

If he had received them marked as required by law, then he would have gotten a replica which is legal. He is ordering these with the knowledge (his) that regardless of what the auction says it is (with pictures) that he will probably NOT receive the legal version. But until he gets them, he cannot be "sure". No matter what though, since his purpose seems to be to drive these people out of business by doing chargebacks on all his purchases, if he did receive coins marked as copies, I don't see where he would be honorable and uphold his purchase. I think he would still have the purchase charged back.

Also, if you are knowingly buying these, then you are breaking the law, because you are importing them into the US. You know they will go through the US Mail, and you marking them as copies and putting them in the trash doesn't make you right, or honorable.

 

And returning the coins would be the right thing to do, because you are telling them and the auction site that you did not get what you ordered.

 

If he ordered merchandise that was shown as marked and received merchandise other than that which he ordered. He does not have to pay for such merchandise, but it would have to be returned. If he requested it to not be marked then he received exactly what he ordered. The law says you can't make unmarked copies in the US or bring it into the US. It also says that you can't sell them. It says nothing about not being able to return them and it says nothing about exporting them, so I would say that returning them to the sender would be legal.

 

Sure you can buy them here, you just can't import them until they meet our standards. And he is buying from a website. Where is that website? Where is the physical location of the server it resides on? If it is in China then he went THERE and bought them. The internet makes the concept of location of where a transaction takes place rather murky. Traditionally it has been viewed as having taken place in the country or state where the seller resides (Just like mail order.). So he bought them in China where they were legal and had them sent to the US where their importation was not legal.

 

The way I read that (and I emphatically deny any connection to any lawyer), if he was defrauded, he cannot return them. It is mail fraud to do so.

 

The way I read that is that it states "dispose of (...) for unlawful use". If returning a counterfeit item is disposing for unlawful use, then that would break the law. If it's not for unlawful use, then it's not.