French influence on US coins

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Davidschwager, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. Davidschwager

    Davidschwager Member

    Many collectors have noticed that some US coins have French models. The most notable is the Walking Liberty, which was clearly modeled on the sower two franc piece first issued on 1898. Going back a little further, the Barber series was modeled on the French Third Republic liberty head coins issued after the revolution of 1871. Note especially the 50 centimes coin which is a very close match to the same-sized Barber dime. The May 2011 issue of COINage states, "Barber was instructed that he had to use the current French head of Liberty."
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    The coins of the two nations have several other similarities, mostly due to our revolutionary histories, but the two mentioned above are the cases where it is easiest to draw a line from a single French coin to a single American coin.
    Do you have thoughts?
     

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  3. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Well, the coin in your avatar seems to have influenced the design of the Walking Liberty half dollar. :)
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't think there's any doubt, it's pretty much a hard fact that many countries have copied designs or had their own designs influenced by the designs of other countries. This has gone on for centuries and will no doubt always continue.
     
  5. scott490

    scott490 Member

    I think "sashaying" is the only word to describe Liberty on the Sower coin. I like the Walking Liberty halves better. No sashaying, yet moving forward. Very straightforward and American. But both are better than British coins. Can you imagine being forced to put goofy inbred royals on all your currency?
     
  6. cpm9ball

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    Marianne is the symbol of France, and you can view many of the artistic interpretations of her in my album......

    http://www.cointalk.com/members/cpm9ball/albums/marianne-symbol-france/

    There were numerous artists/engravers who were influenced by French medalists of the 19th century. Augustus Saint-Gaudens, for one, studied at the Ecole des Beaux Arts in Paris for four years.

    Chris
     
  8. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    I think there is an Italian influence in the Washington quarter design
     

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  9. Davidschwager

    Davidschwager Member

    That is a good point. Farm workers were a common subject in French and French-influenced art of the 19th century as the idealized subjects of the neoclassical period gave way to the realistic themes of the early modern artists. Van Gogh, who did most of his work in France, also has a well-known sower. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Sower.jpg
    Note, however, that Millet's and van Gogh's sowers are both male and cpm9ball is also correct that this figure is Marianne, the personification of the French Republic, similar to our Miss Liberty.
     
  10. Davidschwager

    Davidschwager Member

    To bring the topic back to US coins, here's another similarity: LIBERTY on American and LIBERTE EGALITE FRATERNITE on French.
     
  11. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Here's another similarity-- at one time, French coins bore the inscription "Dieu protege la France"-- "God Protects France". The French version of "In God We Trust"
     
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