How should coin dealers address thefts by other dealers?

I have a degree in philosophy from a leading university. Are we then to forbid quotes from Confucius, from various Indian "sacred" texts, from Plato and Aristotle who referenced God? It is not logical.

The point I was making is that if I were making a false accusation about someone stealing from me then I would bear the same penalty as the person who transgressed by stealing. The quote was about the law not religion.

 

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I'm not trying to start a religious war or anything but nothing about religion or god is allowed unless we are talking about the god on a certain coin or something like that. And that was a quote from the bible, thus about religion. Please calm down.

 

I think the procedure would be this, I would pay the dealer who last looked at the coins a visit, I would tell him that I was missing some coins from the ones he was looking at. I would say that I was giving him a chance to be a man and return them, but if he did not wish to return them, I would understand the price he puts on his personal honor.

 

Throw the Gideon Bible from your hotel room at him when you see him again.

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I believe it's Gideon

 

Fixed.

Your cubby better now?

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BTW this whole thing should of been handled ten years ago.

 

You could always throw him a blanket party...

 

I think that's been done and it explains why none of that book in in the last couple of hotel rooms I've stayed at.:goofer:

 

WOW....that's SAD when you can't trust a fellow dealer. At the events I attend dealers are always go through each others stuff with complete trust. In fact, I seem them drop boxes of stuff off at other dealers so they can look through it. I would definately confront him.

In the mean time, tough lesson learned. Before any other dealers look at your stuff, make sure you know every single coin in the lot they are looking at and take inventory right after they are done. I'd also let future dealers know you've been ripped-off by a fellow dealer before therefore you do have a complete inventory of the coins they are looking though.

 

This is why many dealers always have a "full tray". If a coin is sold something is put in its place, "you missed this deal" or whatnot. That way they give you a tray or book, and it comes back with empties they know you took something.

I would recommend this.

 

In a situation like the one described, you can't prove it. I think your best bet would have been to call the police and file a report. There wasn't enough to arrest him (since you can't honestly claim to have seen him do it) but filing a report gives you a few advantages: some claim on any recovered coins (thieves tend to steal more than once and that increases their chances of getting caught) and the possibility that police may question the guy and unnerve him into doing or saying something stupid. If you don't accuse him, you can't slander him - slander is hard to prove anyway. In that kind of situation I wouldn't confront the guy or appeal to his honor (he's already a theif!) as these types of actions can be twisted into or construed as harassment. Especially since you didn't really know for sure it was him.

And to whoever mentioned above that the legal system favors the rights of the accused over the rights of the victim? Yeah it does, that's kinda the point!

 

In my case the show manager rebuffed my complaint that it was my fault for not being more watchful. When he said that I did not pursue it any more. I mentioned it to a couple other club members, and they did not say I should pursue the matter. The guy isn't running shows any more.

In the case of a significant dealer from the Mid-West who was defrauded in a similar manner by another well-known dealer who is not doing coin shows any more because his reputation is bad after numerous cases of ethical breaches--in that case he did not pursue it because they could not prove it, and because as good church members, etc., it was contrary to their belief of resisting evil. And that ethic is not exclusive to any given belief system but there are many who teach others to accept what happens as our lot in life.

 

First of all, they should have CCTV cameras in every square inch of coin shows.

Second, dealers should never let anyone look at more than 1 coin at a time.

Third, if you suspect someone just stole from you, go kick his edited and stop quoting scripture.

 

Please! Theft is a moral as well as legal subject. Denigrating Bible quotes is as bad as making racially disparaging remarks. Shouldn't we reasonably accommodate those with whom you obviously disagree?

 

Why does scripture bother you so much?

 

I agree we should not denigrate bible quotes, but also we should not be making them. Morality is not an exclusively Christian/Jewish/Muslim subject. Whatever your faith is that determines your morality is your personal choice, and any quotation from your religion and/or ideology has no bearing in law, and very well may have no bearing on the other person.

I can quote passages to my wife all day long, but she is Buddhist, and she can quote her passages back all day long. In our society, neither has preference or weight, only the law does.

I hope I am not violating the prohibition on religion here with this post, if so moderators please delete.

Chris