Another 1864L IHC

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by RedRaider, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Here are two very bad pictures of an very nice 1864 IHC. They are not close up and they are fuzzy, but even with the low quality pictures I can see a tremendous amount of detail, especially on the obverse. In fact, a solid 4 diamonds are present on the headband. Does this coin look cleaned? IMO, I think this is natural R/B, but its hard to tell from the pics. I have had some great luck cherry-picking high quality 1864L IHCs (Last one came back MS63BN, NGC. Paid less than $30 for it!). I went ahead and bought this coin with a 7 day no questions asked full return. I will definitely post more pics when the coin is in hand. Let me know what you think. Thanks,

    RR

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  3. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I can see the great detail. Based on these pictures, I don't see anything questionable about the color either. I think you made a pretty good, near risk-free purchase. Keep us posted!
     
  4. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Just want to throw this out there......Do the edges look squared?
     
  5. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Honestly, when I saw the obverse image, the thought 'possible proof' crossed my mind. But, like you said, the images are terrible. I wouldn't make that call with these pics. Lighting can play tricks on you too. :)
     
  6. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    I share your thoughts. The pics were not good enough to see that.....but I saw this the same way you did...not enough info to make that call. Ill keep my hopes up though!
     
  7. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I'm rooting for you for sure.
     
  8. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    I like it based on the photos.. will look forward to better photos when available..
     
  9. dmott88

    dmott88 Coin Slinger

    It doesn't look to he has had a recent cleaning. I see these all day long at my job and have always enjoyed seeing the different varieties. It's a beautiful coin if sent off for certification I imagine it'd come back a nice high grade. I'm not sure it's a proof coin like gbroke said for it'd be $6000 coin at its lowest grade in proof. With the pictures from what I can tell it definately looks like a business strike coin. I would get it slabbed. Looking forward to seeing the new pictures!
     
  10. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    I now have the coin......It is really a pretty specimen. I cannot capture the vibrant colors with my camera, but there are shades of purple, blue, magenta, red and orange. I have to run to a meeting, but will be back soon. Im going to post some pics later, but I will post this one now as a teaser. The top coin is the 1864L, the bottom one is a raw 1865 circulation strike that I grade as an MSBN. See a difference? The planchet is slightly thicker (not by much) on the 1864 L.

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  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Can you post a cuni next to those two? From this the top coin reminds me of the 1864 cuni.
     
  12. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Here is a pic with 3 IHC's. From left to right I have a CN, the 64L and the 65. This is not a CN cent. I have plenty of those. You will see in the next batch of pics the pointed bust, which was not featured on CN cents (I think a pattern may have had the "L" on CN) Just got home.....pics of the 64L are coming right after this. Thanks,


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  13. RedRaider

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  15. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    Here are some pics that show differences in letters and denticles between the 1864L and 1865.

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  16. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Wow. I am really not qualified to say whether it;s a proof or not. I am very curious to what somone with more knowledge about this type says.

    You should start a new thread.
     
  17. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    The denticles do look like other 1864L business strikes though.
     
  18. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    I agree with you on that. Some of the dies in 1864 did have stronger denticles. IMO, this is a business strike, but I cant tell for sure. What is throwing me off is the edges. It really has a little bit different look than my other mint state indians. I really need to get a few opinions from people more knowledgeable than me. I am thinking of just sending it to NGC with a big question mark next to Proof/Business. Thanks gbroke for your input.
     
  19. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I did not think the original looked like a CUNI, but I have a 64L and 64 next to each other raw and in ag shape - under the glass the look the same, but your picture makes the 64-L look much thicker. Almost like I should see the difference with my naked eye.

    I do not think it is proof - the rims and the dentils don't look square enough for what I think proofs should be like. Then again I am no expert. From the pictures and the lighting it almost looks like an AU-58 coin. But that is probably just the lighting. What does worry me is all the colors you have mentioned. I love the way the feathers look. I can't get a feel for the luster, but it looks really clean - I will play it safe and say AU-58 to MS-64. Assuming the color and luster are there.

    See below for my 64-L(64BN).

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  20. dmott88

    dmott88 Coin Slinger

    Man, Nice camera and even nicer coin!
     
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