Here are two very bad pictures of an very nice 1864 IHC. They are not close up and they are fuzzy, but even with the low quality pictures I can see a tremendous amount of detail, especially on the obverse. In fact, a solid 4 diamonds are present on the headband. Does this coin look cleaned? IMO, I think this is natural R/B, but its hard to tell from the pics. I have had some great luck cherry-picking high quality 1864L IHCs (Last one came back MS63BN, NGC. Paid less than $30 for it!). I went ahead and bought this coin with a 7 day no questions asked full return. I will definitely post more pics when the coin is in hand. Let me know what you think. Thanks, RR
I can see the great detail. Based on these pictures, I don't see anything questionable about the color either. I think you made a pretty good, near risk-free purchase. Keep us posted!
Honestly, when I saw the obverse image, the thought 'possible proof' crossed my mind. But, like you said, the images are terrible. I wouldn't make that call with these pics. Lighting can play tricks on you too.
I share your thoughts. The pics were not good enough to see that.....but I saw this the same way you did...not enough info to make that call. Ill keep my hopes up though!
It doesn't look to he has had a recent cleaning. I see these all day long at my job and have always enjoyed seeing the different varieties. It's a beautiful coin if sent off for certification I imagine it'd come back a nice high grade. I'm not sure it's a proof coin like gbroke said for it'd be $6000 coin at its lowest grade in proof. With the pictures from what I can tell it definately looks like a business strike coin. I would get it slabbed. Looking forward to seeing the new pictures!
I now have the coin......It is really a pretty specimen. I cannot capture the vibrant colors with my camera, but there are shades of purple, blue, magenta, red and orange. I have to run to a meeting, but will be back soon. Im going to post some pics later, but I will post this one now as a teaser. The top coin is the 1864L, the bottom one is a raw 1865 circulation strike that I grade as an MSBN. See a difference? The planchet is slightly thicker (not by much) on the 1864 L.
Here is a pic with 3 IHC's. From left to right I have a CN, the 64L and the 65. This is not a CN cent. I have plenty of those. You will see in the next batch of pics the pointed bust, which was not featured on CN cents (I think a pattern may have had the "L" on CN) Just got home.....pics of the 64L are coming right after this. Thanks,
Wow. I am really not qualified to say whether it;s a proof or not. I am very curious to what somone with more knowledge about this type says. You should start a new thread.
I agree with you on that. Some of the dies in 1864 did have stronger denticles. IMO, this is a business strike, but I cant tell for sure. What is throwing me off is the edges. It really has a little bit different look than my other mint state indians. I really need to get a few opinions from people more knowledgeable than me. I am thinking of just sending it to NGC with a big question mark next to Proof/Business. Thanks gbroke for your input.
I did not think the original looked like a CUNI, but I have a 64L and 64 next to each other raw and in ag shape - under the glass the look the same, but your picture makes the 64-L look much thicker. Almost like I should see the difference with my naked eye. I do not think it is proof - the rims and the dentils don't look square enough for what I think proofs should be like. Then again I am no expert. From the pictures and the lighting it almost looks like an AU-58 coin. But that is probably just the lighting. What does worry me is all the colors you have mentioned. I love the way the feathers look. I can't get a feel for the luster, but it looks really clean - I will play it safe and say AU-58 to MS-64. Assuming the color and luster are there. See below for my 64-L(64BN).