1819 Capped bust half

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  1. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    I posted a pic of this coin when I bought it, but have since been trying to attribute it. I keep coming up with O-107. It seems getting the date measurement is something experience probably helps with considerably. Not to mention that part of the rim is worn so using it for the star diagnostics and A diagnostics is a bit tough for me. Anyway any input is appreciated.
    1819 capped bust obv (Medium).JPG
    1819 capped bust rev (Medium).JPG
     
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  3. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    I'm not good at grading those but I like the coin overall..
     
  4. I'm still looking, but I don't think it is a O.107. The F-N looks off for that die marriage.
     
  5. My guess is an O.113 based on the visable stars to milling. Plus the T-I and F-N and the drawn out stars and lettering.
     
  6. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    You're right I wasn't really looking at the pics, just the diagnostic tips. Now that you said that it's looking more like O.112
     
  7. I don't think it's the O.112. Look at S8. It's in between the millings on your coin and its pretty much dead center on the milling on the O.112.
     
  8. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    The A-A and 50 C spacing matches the O.112 more than the O.113 but the F-N and T-I are similar on both reverse dies
     
  9. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I'd be pretty confident in calling that a 107.
     
  10. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    you are right about S8. Definately not O.112
    Thanks
     
  11. That's all just my guess anyways. I'm still learning these, but am picking up on the diagnostics more. I like the coin by the way.:thumb:
     
  12. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input ...Yea I'm sure that as time passes certain things will start to jump out at me.....the only problem is that I'm gonna have to buy lots more to practice on....:D
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    A very interesting piece. The reverse doesn't match anything. Follow along with me a moment here. The right edge of the motto scroll is under the center of the right base of the A. The only reverses that match that are Rev E (105 & 106), possibly I (111), and K (113).
    Rev I can be eliminated because the I in PLURIBUS is way too far right compared to the T above it. Now look at the right upright of the N in UNUM. It is centered under the upright of the F. That does not match Rev E or K. That alignment of the N and F is only found on Rev B & C. And neither of those two have right edge of the scroll under the A at all.

    The Obv seems to match 12. So the closest match seems to be O-113 but the letters in the motto just don't seem to quite line up properly with the letters above (note what I said about the N and F) and also on Rev K the arrowheads are supposed to be close and joined together. On this coin they are clearly separated and not really close.
     
  14. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    well hopefully interesting means cool new find......not a china special.:eek:
    The arrow heads is what made me rule out 113....My only other thought is maybe it is one of the many 1819/18 and the 8 is just not showing very well. I ruled them out, just because I couldn't see the 8 under the 9, but did not check any of the diagnostics. Anyway thanks all for the insights.
     
  15. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    O.113
    Lance.
     
  16. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yep - it is an O-113. Compare to some of them on coinzip. The arrow heads are close to my eye and I think I see the little lines from the arrowhead to the shafts above. Just my opinion.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yeah, I compared it to an O-113 on Heritage and it does match.
     
  18. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    This is where experience helps. Close arrows doesn't mean a whole lot to me if I don't have others to compare too.:D I can see what you are talking about on the lower two arrows. Looks like there is some kind of bridge. Thanks

    I just got home and checked heritage as well. I think you guys are right. It's funny how the F N in the Overton book seemed more centered, but maybe it was just the angle.
    Thanks for the help
     
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