1985D double die

thanks kasia

 

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yes, I saw the back of the coin. I think it is a normal wide AM, with no additional value. See my comments just before this. It will take a bit of time for you to understand what this means (wide AM and close AM) but it basically boils down to the mint using proof reverse dies for some business strike coins in some years, and those proof reverses have noticable differences than the non-proof ones.

 

i just to a look at one in ken potter book it has a small gap in between.

 

Yes, some do have a small gap, but look at the way the FG is by the memorial. The one in Potter's book should show that PUP as being farther away from the memorial than your coin. Also pay really close attention to the way the F and the G are (the font used) because it is different from the font used for the wide AM.

 

Deterioration and machine doubling manifest themselves in many different ways. But they are distinctly different from the desirable hub doubling. You need to learn the difference if you want to be a variety collector. I suggest you join the Lincoln Cent Resource forums to begin your education:

http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/

 

His 92 is a plain, old 1992P cent.

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/wideams.html

 

Hopefully my last post on this. I don't know what that is in the field by Lincoln's face. It could be some sort of PMD (Post Mint Damage) or maybe it's a combination of die break and ???? In any case, unless someone else chimes in with a better version, it doesn't look like much to me. Listen to some of the others here, there are some real experts that post answers to people's posts.

 

First off, I like how so many people here can form an opinion on a coin when they claim they can not see the coin in the pictures. Interesting concept, ITS NOT A DOUBLED DIE because I can't see it well enough to determine if its one or not. If you can not see it just say you cant see it and don't pass judgement based on your lack of information. (pictures) Blow this coin up and look at the lower leg on the 9 then perhaps take the time to look at the thickness of the 5 in the date.

MMNS and Ken Potter are not affiliated. Ken knows the owner of MMNS and has looked at many coins for him in the past and I am pretty sure he is still doing it now.. He has mentioned MMNS in an article he wrote about the Michigan State Show a few times in both the Numismatic News and Coin World. Has this coin passed through Potters hands? That I don't know the answer to but I will late tomorrow after I have conversations with both he and Bob Haire who owns MMNS.

I think based on the pictures that is a 1985D-1DO-002 but without seeing the coin in hand I would not say that for certain. Am I an expert? Define that for me. Potter says I am when I work with him at his table.

There are several others that come into this forum from time to time that I am sure will chime in. Mike Diamond, Mike Ellis both are gentleman that I respect and perhaps can shed a little more light on this. BUT.. to just flat out say a coin is NOT because you can't see it in the sub par picture(s). HOGWASH.

OP, the people that you would want to have look at this coin (IN HAND) would be either Charles D. Daughtrey, James Wiles or Mike Ellis. Send them pictures, if they can not determine if the coin(s) are what you suspect them to be, they will request an in hand examination of them. I think Wiles is charging 4-5 bucks for his service at this time.

 

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thanks jim i met mr haire at the dalton ga coin show .he seems to be a man of integrity .is there a web site for the gentelmen you spoke of so i can send them a pic. i sent mr potter the pics mr haire took up real close but they were to large for him to open.

 

jim

what do you think about this one the forehead and nose i also sent mr potter these pic.

 

wrong pics

 

their right the bottom two

 

Dersaun, please put the 1992 LMC on a scanner and crop and zoom until you get satisfactory pictures of just the initials ' FG' and just the 'AM' in America. If this is not possible try this with a digital camera with ' MACRO' mode setting. Your previous pictures just don't get the close-ups I need to give you my educated answer. I've seen many thousands of 1992 LMC's and
a ' Close AM, CAM, ' can be very difficult to detect. As yet I've had about five close calls, heart thumpers, but no CAM 1992.

 

The 1992 is a MAD coin. (Mis-Aligned Die) Notice the rim. The area you speak of in front of the nose looks in the picture to be PMD (post mint damage) I can not tell from the picture if you can see the zinc at the lower portion or not where what looks to be a gouge that moved northward. Its really tough to tell from the pictures.

James Wiles website can be found HERE

 

Great work Jim M. I agree with you on this 1992 being a MAD on its obverse.

 

Jim,

I couldn't agree more. The only way this coin could be definitively ruled in or out as a doubled die is to be examined in hand. These pics dont tell us much. I actually like MMNS. They are like top 6 or 7 as far as grading companies go for me.

 

OK, I had a bad. 1st impression --- and sometimes 1st impressions are proved wrong. So I will keep an open mind about MMNS. And yes, being able to have the coin to grade is best. Sometimes photos don't show it well.

 

1985d ddo

Jim M, I hope these pictures are better I am new at taking coin pictures.

 

Those last pics are a million times better than the previous!! It looks like strike doubling IMHO, but let's see what Jamez says.