Active PVC contamination

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by wooleytree, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. wooleytree

    wooleytree Operation Flamingo

    I have a proof type coin that was returned by a TPG company body bagged with an explanation that it was suffering from active PVC contamination. After a quick e-mail to them they said that it could be removed with acetone and a q-tip. My first question is who else has done this? Second question is do you need to neutralize the acetone or just rinse it off? And lastly if I resubmit it will it come back as cleaned?
     
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  3. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    1) Thousands of us. 2) Many collectors say pure acetone dries cleanly and there's no need for a rinse. Others say rinse in water with a final one in distilled water. I think there are other opinions too. 3) I don't like rubbing with a cotton swab. If you are even a little aggressive it will cause hairlines and BB the coin. Try a long soak. If that doesn't work, be gentle with a swab.
    Lance.
     
  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    First off, no q-tips. Did they know it was a proof when they said that? A few baths in acetone will remove it without any contact with the coin. You don't need to neutralize or rinse off acetone. Only done this about a thousand times. A search on this site will give you some ideas about the right way to go about this.
     
  5. wooleytree

    wooleytree Operation Flamingo

  6. Thruston Howell

    Thruston Howell New Member

    Lighter fluid works well.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah, so do a thousand other things. But they ruin the coin just like the lighter fluid does.
     
  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    And if that doesn't work, before you try a Q-tip, don't be afraid of the acetone, take a hold of the coin by the edges and swish (agitate) it back and forth in a bowl of acetone. Let the moving liquid work at it. With a soak it just sits there, some of the stuff disolves into the acetone and saturates the acetone close to the coin. eventually no more can go into solution close to the coin.
     
  9. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    NEVER rinse acetone with water, that is the dumbest thing you can do IMO. Rinse acetone with fresh acetone if anything. Water is corrosive and sticks like glue to a coin surface....water is the enemy with all coins. Acetone completely dehydrates metallic surfaces making a coin ready for long-term storage. Almost every single coin I own gets rinsed with acetone before going into a holder. It's one of the best protective measures a collector can take.
     
  10. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Conder my friend, I rarely disagree with you...but...unless you're only using a single drop of acetone, there's no way you can saturate several milliters of acetone with a tiny spot of PVC residue. Diffusion/equilibrium will evenly disperse the residue given enough time.....which isn't very long. However, of course, swishing is still a good idea to speed it along.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    We shall have to agree to disagree on that one. I've just seen too many coins get a whitish color on them after using acetone. But if rinsed in distilled water, and stood on edge to dry for 24 hrs - never once.

    And yeah Thad I know about the science. Science says gold doesn't tone too, but I've seen it with my own eyes a thousand times. Reckon I'll believe my eyes ;)
     
  12. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Well at least your consist two post saying the same thing that is wrong. Not ment as a attack but want to make it know that "Ligher Fluid" is not a acceptable item to clean coins.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    True, but a "tiny spot of PVC residue" doesn't need an extended soak either. If you have enough residue on the coins that it can't be removed with a quick rinse or swish and needs and extended soaking, you probably have enough to saturate the acetone next to the coin while it just sits there during the soaking. Swishing constantly exposes "fresh" acetone to the residue to help dissolve it quickly.

    And personally I agree with the final acetone rinse.
     
  14. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    If a white residue formed it was because the acetone dehydrated exisiting corrosion revealing it. The water simply rehydrated it, reactivated it and made it "disappear" to the eye. Water is THE ROOT of all coin evil, the prime catalyst for destruction.
     
  15. Thruston Howell

    Thruston Howell New Member

    Lighter fluid on circulated copper coins does no such thing. It works quite nicely.
     
  16. Thruston Howell

    Thruston Howell New Member

    No offense. It does work well on circulated copper, if you use it correctly.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You may think it does, but an experienced eye will not. There are plenty of people who think that wiping a coin with a cloth works well, or a brillo pad, or a pencil eraser, or any number of other things works well.

    But that doesn't mean they actually do work well. Working well means working without leaving traces. Lighter fluid leaves traces.
     
  18. Thruston Howell

    Thruston Howell New Member

    It has no ill effects is what I meant, but actually the trace elements portion of your statement is correct. A distilled water dip afterwards is appropriate. Thank you for your correction and I assure you I don't use Brillo pads.
     
  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    What good would rinsing with an immiscible solvent do?
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I think Tom is still hung up on HAARP and nanothermite.
     
  21. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Isn't that a fancy way of saying oil and water don't mix???????
     
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