It's called the Albertusthaler Here's an excerpt from Treasure Realm: "Albertusthaler - A large silver thaler first coined in the Spanish Netherlands in 1612 during the stadtholdership of Archduke Albert and his wife Isabella. It was minted at 9.35 to the fine mark, and had a gross weight of about 29.5 grams. It soon found favor in trade with the East Indies and with Eastern Europe (Russia), and was therefore continued in Belgium until the end of the 18th century, being also widely copied in other German states as late as the early 19th century. The main identifying feature is the reverse showing a flowered St Andrew's cross of Burgundy, three crowns in the upper angles, and the lamb of the Order of the Golden Fleece pendent. {From Albertus the Archduke who authorized the coins + thaler THALER.}" It has another name (also from Treasure Realm): "Patagon - A variant name for the albertusthaler. Generally valued at 50 Dutch stuebers in later years. [Belgium, German States, Liege]" Some facts about the Spanish Netherlands: The Spanish Netherlands (Dutch: Spaanse Nederlanden, Spanish: Países Bajos españoles) was a portion of the Low Countries controlled by Spain from the sixteenth to the eighteenth century. When part of the Netherlands separated from Spanish rule and became the United Provinces in 1581 the remainder of the area became known as the Spanish Netherlands and was still under the control of Spain. The Spanish Netherlands originally consisted of the whole of the 1. County of Flanders, including French and Walloon Flanders 2. County of Artois 3. City of Tournai 4. Cambrai (roughly the Department Nord and the northern half of Pas-de-Calais in modern France) 5.Duchy of Luxembourg 6. Duchy of Limburg 7. County of Hainaut 8. County of Namur 9. Heerlijkheid2 of Mechelen (officially a county since 1490) 10 Duchy of Brabant 11. The Upper Quarter (Bovenkwartier) of the duchy of Guelders (around Venlo and Rosemond, in the present province of Dutch Limburg, and the town of Geldem in the present German district Kleve) The capital was Brussels in Brabant. Here's some Patagon (Albertusthaler) Coin photos courtesy of Coin Archives. Coin Archives refers to the Albertusthaler coins as Patagon Patagon during Albert and Isabelle's reign (1598-1621): 1619 Patagon - Belgium (Antwerp Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=997230&AucID=926&Lot=53&Val=7335e8ba4a2a8600b17d2058836b81fe Undated 1/4 Patagon Belgium (County of Flanders): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=956939&AucID=708&Lot=2602&Val=b27d810912318c98a14b44dc7cc1614d Undated 1/4 Patagon Belgium - Brabant (City of Tournai): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=956939&AucID=708&Lot=2602&Val=b27d810912318c98a14b44dc7cc1614d Undated Patagon - Duchy of Brabant: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1020613&AucID=937&Lot=1080&Val=1904110c2ea4faff879d214962843917 Undated 1/4 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant and Flanders: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=948657&AucID=703&Lot=2432&Val=d5240d668ea5af3cb2bf58046abcd182 Undated Patagon Belgium-Tournai (City of Tournai): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=956942&AucID=708&Lot=2605&Val=6146a5b77add0e0eb1cda813797a5e36 Patagon coinage in other parts of the Spanish Netherlands: 1619 Patagon - County of Flanders (Brügge Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1025016&AucID=942&Lot=1090&Val=f6faa3e5f2889337be05ecfff6828cb6 1622 1/32e de Patagon - Bourgogne (Dole Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=988308&AucID=918&Lot=920&Val=a2722caa8fc5c5772c68d3b98a03ae8e 1627 Patagon - Bourgogne (Dole Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=988306&AucID=918&Lot=918&Val=51e60885e77f2894b6cc75a99f4b06d0 1631 Patagon - City of Tournai: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1032137&AucID=949&Lot=1948&Val=abb93e8551dfa0e328647a4c171517e4 1631 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant (Brussel Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1015404&AucID=936&Lot=1402&Val=78aab60cb29207eb051d4719ffbf402d 1632 1/4 Patagon - Duchy of Luxembourg: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=997326&AucID=926&Lot=149&Val=11086edfecf0330052136df98b63e9b6 1632 1.4 Patagon - County of Flanders (Brugge Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1015403&AucID=936&Lot=1401&Val=781636c3e5cd3dbfe0364438d8ae203f 1635 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant (Antwerp Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1032136&AucID=949&Lot=1947&Val=9683f3246f439332b877da1179765b1d 1642 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant (Brüssel Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1025008&AucID=942&Lot=1082&Val=47869758a4ceb170dc9c9cf9ea7508f1 1645 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant (Antwerp Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1004914&AucID=931&Lot=8545&Val=cab5bf18d237bfeb96c6d9c7129193b4 1646 Patagon - Duchy of Brabant (Antwerp Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1025010&AucID=942&Lot=1084&Val=0971913080b46ddefc3ff938760dbc69 1655 1/2 Patagon - Belgium-Brabent (Brussel Mint): http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1034182&AucID=954&Lot=2053&Val=da2828bbb558a2faeef3ed627e136260 Under French Annexation 1659 Patagon - Besançon: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=988302&AucID=918&Lot=914&Val=66f5133c318a880cd2c1d27abea9df2e Under French Annexation 1662 Patagon - Besançon: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=990850&AucID=921&Lot=904&Val=5380d89110e23d51697cb09aa0efe5cc Under Roman Empire 1710 Patagon: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=950168&AucID=703&Lot=3943&Val=4e3bf71202509eb9bad55be93c7c9d23 Hope you enjoyed meeting the Albertusthaler (Patagon),,, Clinker
What he said. An interesting "collection" of Albertustalers which are not exactly widely known even though they were in use for quite a long time. Thanks, Clinker! Christian
I never knew about their (Albertusthaler coins) existence or wouldn't have associated the word "Thaler" with the Netherlands until my research revealed the different Netherlands (French, Spanish, Roman, and Austrian). Clinker
