I was looking on ebay and saw this 1907 IHC with what looks like to me a huge die crack at 5 oclock on the rev. I sent the seller a message and ask about it and they said they were not sure what it is. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Thanks for all the info.
Based on the photo it looks like either a die break, a retained cud or a huge fold-over. (Fold-over may not be the correct term. What I mean is a bit of metal sticking up from the edge that gets folded over and struck.)
It appears to be a retained cud. Please let me know if you plan to bid on this because if you aren't then I will go after it Richard
I have bid on it that is why I wanted to get some opinions. Please bid away cause I have set my bid and if I get it thats good but if I dont thats ok too. Thanks for doing that ziggy9 that shows me what kind of person you are, but if you want it get it. Thanks Hobo and ziggy9 for the info.
Probably. I agree that it may be a retained cud but it's hard to tell from the photo. The die may have only been cracked but not yet broken when this coin was struck.
If you look at the lower arrow point you can see that it is no longer straight. The break has shifted but not dropped off the die at this point.
DJ Pm me your limit on this. No need for me to run it up on you if you are willing to pay more than me!
A retained cud happens right before the die breaks completely off, right? and after the die breaks off it would become a full grown cud error. Is that right???????
So it is safe to say that there is more 1907 IHC with the same retained cud error on the rev. at 5 oclock, and there may be some 1907 out there with a full grown cud in the same spot on the coin.
Right. The edge of the die breaks off and that portion of the coin is unstruck because that part of the die is missing. And it is a cud because - drumroll please - it includes the rim.
there should be more with the retained cud. there will be full cuds IF the broken die wasn't replaced before the piece fell off. Richard
Wow thats cool I have picked up so much info from you guys. I love to learn. I have been studying the minting process and that has really help me to understand what to look for when I look at coins.
I'm sure he would be just fine with it as the OP was only willing to spend a fraction of what I spent. The truth of the matter is that there was another bidder who I had no contact with that was willing to spend a little over $11 so there really was no "collusion" involved. If you were at a live auction with a friend would you bid against him to make sure he paid the most he was willing to? I consider people on this site to be friends and would not consider bidding against them on a coin that they post here without discussing with them first. The truth is I know roughly the value of this coin and made sure the OP wasn't willing to go that high before I bid. My max bid was roughly 3 times what I got it for and had there been any other bidders I would have ended up paying more, but there wasn't. Richard
There is a difference between not bidding your friend up and discussing each other's max bids to determine if you will bid at all. By asking what his price is and stating you will not bid at all if his max is higher then yours you are colluding in a way that is significantly different then dropping out because a friend is in the auction.
