1875-S Trade S$1 MS63 ICG - Come Back MS63 PCGS??? Opinions...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by iGradeMS70, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    I'd like some opinions on whether you believe if this coin, if cracked-out of it's current ICG slab, would arrive back from PCGS in an MS63 holder if resubmited. I understand that their grading standards are far from the equal. Also, in this coin's current slab, how much would you pay for it knowing that it may TRULY be an MS62 or even MS61? ALL OPINIONS ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED! :)

    Thanks in Advance,
    -Brian

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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm thinking 62. Nice coin but the dark areas in front of Liberty make me wonder if it was worked on a bit. Maybe just the image. White balance makes it tough to really see what's really there.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You'd be surprised. It is not uncommon for PCGS to up-grade older coins in the original ICG slabs. Typically, the original ICG was on a par with NGC and PCGS when it came to grading older coins. It was only with moderns that they (ICG) lost touch with reality.

    So yeah, I would expect PCGS to grade that 63.
     
  5. mstng02gt

    mstng02gt Junior Member

    I just had a coin I decided to play with. The results were actually kind of interesting. I bought an older gold holder PCI 1852 MS62 Gold dollar on ebay (i know the gold holders are not trusty worthy). In that case I bought the coin not the slab. I cracked the coin out and sent it to ICG. It came back MS61. I figured what the heck let me send it with my next PCGS submission as a crossover. It came back MS61 also. ICG is not the horrible company everyone seems to think.

    I also do not think ICG is so far out of touch when it comes to modern coins. I think it is PCGS that intentionally keeps the populations smaller for marketing. They try to add rarity to coins where none exists.
     
  6. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    :thumb:Nice 1875-S trade dollar regardless who grade it!
    I really don't thing a TPG matters. unless you have 1841-O $10 liberty Gold to sell or a 1795 bust dollar or something of that caliber to sell MS-60+ then get regraded Pcgs or Ngc!
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  7. vdbpenny1995

    vdbpenny1995 Well-Known Member

    Hey Brian! IMO I think it would come back a 61 or so but if I were to buy that coin, I wouldnt pay an MS63 price. For ICG id knock off a number or so and pay a MS60 price
     
  8. scott490

    scott490 Member

    I disagree strongly. I sell slabbed coins and ICG coins do way, way worse in the marketplace than the "big 3." That's not a knock on ICG grading standards, it's just facing reality. Of course, buy the coin, not the slab :D
     
  9. mstng02gt

    mstng02gt Junior Member

    Yep I agree with you completely scott ICG coins do bring a fraction of the prices the big 3 do. That just means better deals for the rest of us lol.


    Its always a good idea to buy the coin not the slab.

    PCGS website says they have 44 warranty claims in the last 30 days with a value of $35,493. Everyone makes mistakes :yes:
     
  10. zach24

    zach24 DNSO 7070 71 pct complete

    Looks like an a high Ms-62 to me, but it may make it to Ms-63....
     
  11. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    I agree... you'd be surprised. Truly, one never knows. Bring your expertise to the table, grade the coin, and ignore the slab. I assure you, nice coins are found in ICG and SEGS slabs every day.

    The best part is they trade at a discount. But be careful when expecting a good grade on crossover. TPGs are like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get !
     
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