wire rim proofs

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by spb111982, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. spb111982

    spb111982 Member

    So if you have a wheat penny with that little thin black wire around the very edge does that make it a proof. Also does the rim stay completely flat on the outside?
     
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  3. lincolncent

    lincolncent Future Storm Chaser Guy

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    If by thin black wire you mean a literal thin black wire then no, that just means somebody got bored in shop class.
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    A good photo would certainly help. But to answer your question, does the presence of a wire rim mean the coin is a Proof? No. Wire rims are created when the coin is struck under high pressure and the metal flows between the edge of the die and the collar. This can happen with Proof coins as well as Business Strikes.

    A Proof coin may or may not have a wire rim. There are many other things to look for to determine if a coin is a Proof.
     
  5. spb111982

    spb111982 Member

    is there anyway i can email you some pictures
     
  6. eric0911

    eric0911 SMS-71

    Upload the pictures to photobucket, and copy/paste the IMG code(in the little box when you view the picture) to your post
     
  7. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    Or just upload it to CT, and use attach it, all while you're posting.
     
  8. spb111982

    spb111982 Member

    Ok here are my pics

    Tell me what you think
     

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  9. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Sorry but it does not look like a MPL to me. The corners of the edge a squared off on a MPL. Yours are not squared off.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Definitely not a Proof. Yes the coin has a bit of finning (the wire like edge around part of the rim), but that is not even a diagnostic of a Proof coin. Also, it looks to be a problem coin, one that has been corroded and then harshly cleaned and lightly polished.
     
  11. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    BTW - Great pictures, especially the depth of field on the one of the edge. How did you take these?
     
  12. lincolncent

    lincolncent Future Storm Chaser Guy

    I agree that it is not MPL but that is still one great looking coin. :)
    Also, I think to be an MPL the dots between the V.D.B. have to be centered. May be wrong though.
     
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Not a proof. Strike is not strong enough, and (even more obviously) the rims are not square enough (as opposed to the beveled edge visible in the edge photo) nor wide enough. Once you see a proof MPL raw, it's generally very easy to identify others.
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    To better illustrate what I'm describing above, please consider the following:

    An MPL edge:
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    A comparison:
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