Question about Buffalo errors.

Well I started collecting the the buffalo series, and there a few things I have noticed. 1 there pretty cheap in high grades then they sky rocket in real high grades. The other is there are a lot of errors. WHY? I just picked up a real nice 36 S over S real cheap. Then I started looking and there are errors all over the place for sale but not to many errors make it to the price list. Again why? Why are there so many errors on this coin over the years? Most of the errors deal with the mint mark.

 

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Interesting question - I have never noticed more errors in the series than any other series. I really don't know for a fact all of the reasons for all of the errors. Some of those errors get really expensive really quick. One of the reasons I don't actively collect errors in most series. I do like the ddo on the shield nickels.

 

What you are describing are varieties, not errors.

 

No there errors. I think varieties are different. If you have a D over S RPM that is an error. If the buffalo was made to have four legs and it has three thats an error.

The 64 JFK half that has different hair that was changed out in mid year. I think thats a variety.

 

Here is my 36 s over s

 

No, repunched mint marks are varieties as are doubled dies and with a little research you'll find these so called errors are prolific in most series of US coinage.

 

I disagree its my opinion, and I'm taking my ball and going home. I think there errors when they changed the REV. of the 1913 Buff. That is variety. The 45 micro S Merc is a variety. They were made different. Sorry I think when you have a RPM or RPD thats an error.

Sorry again but wheres my ball?

 

Well OK then - so what is your definition of "TYPE"?

 

I'm not playing coin collecting 101 with you. We all have opinions, lets say we agree to disagree.

 

Defitions are http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglossary/g/error_coin.htm and http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglossary/g/die_variety.htm. That is not the point of my. I think we all knew what the original poster was referring to with the first post. This is almost like arguing over Penny and Cent - not worth it. I know I still considered an over-mint mark an error - no matter what the reason. So as far as I am concerned there are no more or less errors(or varieties) in this series as some of the other series.

 

I don't know where your ball is, but when you post a question on an internet forum, it sure helps all of us reading your post if you use the same terminology that we are accustomed to. After all, the purpose of communication is to have the other party understand what you are talking about.

Maybe you could write, and then post, your own glossary of terms **as you define them** so we could refer to that in order to help answer any questions you may have in the future.

 

Here's a rare buffalo error on a 1931-S. It's very hard to photograph but in hand it's a beauty of a crack. This is a faulty planchet error.

 

I have the same terminology as you. I just don't think a RPM or RPD is a variety. The die put in place does not have 2 mint marks on it so therefor it is an error. If you buy a Big Mac at McDonalds and you get a extra bun instead of having 2 patty's, and you take it back and say its wrong/error and they say no it's good it's just a variety.

Yes this is a forum where people communicate and ask questions for help. Like my first post. However this is not a bashing forum, where you jump on the hate wagon, like you did. If you have so much to say about the RPM matter then say it. If you don't please pick up your ball and go home. If you truly don't understand what I'm trying to say in my original post then I'm sorry.

 

Nice coin! I can see it to the feather - does it go all the way to the rim?

 

Call it as you like it - it really doesn't bother me. In most circumstances intent is communicated. Just don't compound the problem with an erroneous correction when proper terminology is introduced into the discussion as the OP did with Hobo.

 

I don't have it to look at right now b/c it's in storage but the crack only goes as far as the pic shows. :thumb:

 

We are using the same words but applying different definitions to the words. For most of us a variety is a coin struck by a die that is different from the others used at that time, e.g., a RPM. Every coin struck by that die is the same. On the other hand, for most of us an error is a coin something went wrong during planchet preparation or striking of the coin. Errors are generally one of a kind. An error can be a clipped planchet, an off-center strike, a brockage, a cud, etc.

I am not following you. In you original post you were describing a 1936-S over S Buffalo Nickel. 'S over S' (aka S/S) means two mintmarks were punched into the die, one over the other. So is the error the coin struck from "the die (that) does not have 2 mint marks on it" or the coin struck from dies with only one mintmark?

I am sorry if I offended you. Yes, this is a forum where people can communicate. Part of communication is using words that both parties understand. When you said "error" I was thinking "clipped planchet, off-center, broadstrike, a brockage, etc. but you meant RPM, which to most of us is a variety. I only pointed that out to you so you would know that what you described (an RPM) was a variety, not an error. I don't think anyone "jumped on the hate wagon". If you want to continue to call an RPM an error that is perfectly fine but you should expect to encounter some confusion.

 

Re-punched mint marks are varieties that are caused by a die maker, not paying attention to getting the correct die and applying the mint mark to the correct area of the die.
Now, for double die are variety, that is cause by not aliening the the master die to the working die during the transfer.
Then you have a die making that polish the die too much, and cause a variety, by removing too much metal on the die, before or after damage to it. Does this answer any questions. -O)

 

Just to clarify, a working HUB is used to make a working die.

 

True.
The doubling to the master die is the defect is from the hub, because the transfer was out of line on the following trace, that will be used later to make the working dies. The other problems to the working dies, before the mint marks were added to the hub, was from die personal messing up when adding the mint marks by hand, and earlier when the dates were added by hand.