I am usually able to figure out which VAM I have on my own, but this one is unusual. I am most curious about what type of error is at the word OF and also at the ST of "STATES". The area is raised up a little and behind "OF", it is actually wavy. Also, the word Trust is weak as you can see. This coin also has some large die cracks and die gouges as you can see in the photos. The major die gouges are at the wreath bow, but there are also some visible gouges in the area of the eagles feet. One in particular is horizontal to the right side of the eagle's left leg. Another question I have is whether or not this is considered to be a "scribble" variety? Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
I don't see any scribbles on this coin. Die cracks are fairly common, and unless there is metal displacement, about the only thing they are used for is to determine die state. You might use the die gouges that are between the bow and the first cluster of leaves on the right as a marker to see if you can find a match on VAMWorld, but there is absolutely nothing that could lure me into searching the 1921's. No way! No how! It's why I don't collect 1921 VAM's. Chris
Thank you for the reply, but I have two questions to your comment. 1. What do you mean my metal displacement? 2. Why do you have no interest in 1921's? Are there simply too many of them? Thanks again for your time. PS What I really want to know more than anything is what kind of error caused the wavy area behind the word "OF" and the raised area behind the ST in "STATE".
1. In it's early stage, a die crack will show as a slightly raised line on the surface of the coin, but as it continues to deteriorate, ala Scarface, bits and pieces fall away and the crack can widen and deepen and is filled by the metal flowing into it. For example, a "cud" is a more extreme case of metal displacement where the edge of the die has broken away. 2. There weren't as many 1921 VAM's until the "Scribbles" were added a couple years back. If you're searching the listings on VAMWorld, not every identifier is stated in the title for each one. That means if you have a certain marker you are using to try to find a corresponding VAM, it can take you the good part of the day just reading the full descriptions and/or reviewing the photos. I do have a few varieties such as the "Extra Berry", "Infrequent Reeding" and "Broken r" (Trust), but I'm not going to bother with too many others. 3. I can't tell from your photos what may have caused the lines on the reverse. For me, I would have to look at it closely under my stereomicroscope. As for the word "Trust", it looks like PMD of some kind. If you compare the thickness of the letters to the rest of IGWT, it looks like they were mashed by something. Chris
Great, thank you for your reply. I have searched for quite a while trying to locate this one and I'm pretty much over it, at least for now. If anyone has any other ideas about this coin, please share. Thank you.
I would be wondering about feed finger damage. You can also see a similar but less bold area above the first T in STATES.
Possible trail die error, but looks more like retained cud Thank you for the reply Condor, I looked into the trail die errors caused by the feeder finger and I suppose that this could be such and error, however, it looks more like retained cud. The area at the ST in States is all risen up and at the word OF, the lighter colored areas are risen up and the darker areas are lower, like valleys. It's wavy basically. There are so many 1921 P Morgan errors it's ridiculous, but I am back to looking through all of them right now. I still haven't found any that are even possibly this one. This might be a not yet discovered variety, not that it means it's special or anything, I realize how common these types of errors are. I just enjoy collecting the interesting coins, not trying to make any monetary gains, and have no desire to ever sell them. So, again, all help is appreciated. Thanks again.
I got some better photos These photos show this stuff a little better. And also, you might be right about the feeder finger error Condor. I found this: http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-29A.
I finally figured out which VAM this is!!! It's a VAM-81A, I first realized it by going here (bottom of page): http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-81A There is also a message thread that can be found here: http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/52651616 I'm still not sure what the marks are from that caused my initial interest with this coin, but this coin is even more interesting that I originally thought!
My final question now is what you might think this is worth? It's an R5 and appears to be in MS62+. It has some filled die action on the "r" in "trust, making it more special, IMO, has exquisite die file lines and doubling with nice die cracks too. Any ideas? Thank you
