Since you like mystery coins...

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by celibate1, Mar 27, 2006.

  1. celibate1

    celibate1 Junior Member

    Hi all,
    Reading through this forum it would appear that many here like mystery coins. I have one that has bugged me for weeks now. The Obv is a standard Constantinople commemorative and the Rev is similar to many of the Victory standing left patterns on WildWinds. The real sticking point is the mark in ex. on the Rev, it appears to read SMANI, SHANI, or SNANI. I can find nothing even close to this anywhere and it is really bugging me. It can out of a lot I bought off of ebay in 2002 and am just now getting around to. It had some really nice pieces including an AE3 of Constantia (Obv identified, still working on Rev.)

    I tried to get a good photo of the coin but since I have only been taking coin pictures for about three weeks now, please don't judge to harshly. Thanks!
     

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  3. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Celibate1,I can't tell whether or not that is either a Roman coin or a Byzantine coin,as early Byzantine coins are very similar to Roman coins in terms of style.

    Aidan.
     
  4. celibate1

    celibate1 Junior Member

    Reply to Aidan Work

    Thanks for the quick response. If you go to the "WildWinds Graphical Partial Legend Search Engine" and type in CONSTANTINOPOLIS you will find many examples similar to mine, only the lettering in ex. is different. I have been thinking maybe it is a provincial issue of some type or possibly a barbaric counterfeit.
     
  5. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    The name 'Constantinopolis' appears on Greek Imperial coins that were issued under the Romans,as well as on those issued by the Byzantine Empire.

    Aidan.
     
  6. celibate1

    celibate1 Junior Member

    Thanks

    Thanks Aidan Work,

    I will add those categories to my things to check. I thought there might possibly be a connection with early Byzantine myself but found very little info. The Greek angle I had not thought of. Thanks!
     
  7. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Celibate,
    The mintmark is Antioch,one of which is SMAN.As is the case of the Siscia mint described below,sometimes an extra letter was added to the mint mark to identify the officina or workshop.I suspect that the "I" is one of these.
    Constantinople Commemorative / Victory with shield on prow of ship.
    Siscia mint 334-5 AD RIC 241
    For several years following the founding of the city of Constantinople a series of coins was produced honoring the event. The obverse shows the helmeted personification of the city and bears the legend
    CONSTANTINOPOLIS. The reverse shows Victory with spear and shield and her foot on a
    prow. The only reverse legend is the mintmark: here .BSIS combines the workshop #2 'B' with the
    first three letters of the mint name. These coins were produced by the millions and are common from
    SEVERAL mints.
    The second pic is yours:
    http://www.ruark.org/coins/Roman/6Constantinian/CityCommem.html
     
  8. celibate1

    celibate1 Junior Member

    Mikjo0,

    Bullseye! That is the coin. Figures I would spend so much time and effort on not only a common type coin, but one that is a pretty poor specimen. The one in the resource picture (the resource you very kindly provided, thank you) is many grades superior to my coin. Thanks again for the info and the new resource!
     
  9. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hello celibate1
    I think Mikjo0 has got it almost in every way. The only thing is the mintmark : I think it is SMANT and not SMANI. Sometimes the T looks like an I (and M looks like H) and it stands fo Sacra Moneta ANTioch

    Cucumbor
     
  10. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Right again Cucumbor...we the man!!
     
  11. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Yep, a city commerative

    B
     
  12. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Right,in fact there were two city commems issued beginning in 330 AD,one for Constantinople and one for Rome,so they wouldn't feel left out.
    In all the excitement,I almost forgot I had this one.;)
    Cucumbor,can you make out the mintmark on it? I want to say Siscia but what do you think?
    http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/mints.html
     

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  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hello Mikjo0

    You're right for Siscia. Your mintmark is .BSIS.
    Siscia mint, second officina. According to LRBC (late roman bronze coinage) it is #751, minted circa AD 330-335

    Hope it helps
    Cucumbor
     
  14. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

    Yes it does help,thanks again Cucumbor!
     
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